Madura Keris?

Pendita65 · Yesterday, 02:48 PM

Hi all,

After lurking for the last six months I picked up this 9 luk Keris yesterday. It's I need of some serious TLC. It sure can use a good cleaning of the rust. I don't know a lot about it what I find interesting is that the wilah is standing in an angle from the Hilt. The Warangka is a model i have seen before but don't know how it is called. And my guess is that the Keris is from Madura. There is pamor to be seen but after derusting it might be better visible.

Hope someone can provide me some more info about this Keris.

Thnx for now and regards

Martin

Sajen · Yesterday, 04:34 PM

Hi Martin,

Jep, the sarung is Madurese. But like you I can't name it exactly.
Pics of my example attached.

Regards,
Detlef

Sajen · Yesterday, 04:45 PM

All three I've have/had (one I sold) and one from Alan G. Maisey.

A. G. Maisey · Yesterday, 09:10 PM

Yes, Madura, dress is a sandang walikat style.

It is possible that in Madura, sandang walikat might be known by a different name, but if it is, I do not know that name.

Pendita65 · Yesterday, 11:26 PM

Thank you both so much, for the information. and i was also wondering the hilt /hulu when you hold it straight up the wilah is really under an angle, that is different than most of the keris i have.

Maybe a stupid question but has it a name? And if i am right it has 9 luk?

Regards, Martin

Sajen · Yesterday, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendita65

And if i am right it has 9 luk?

Jep, I count 9 luk.

A. G. Maisey · Today, 12:37 PM

Did you mean a dhapur name?

The dhapur names that are generally known come from a pakem, or guide-book that was produced as a reference to dhapurs as they were known in Surakarta.

It is really only accurate for Surakarta, but we do tend to use those names for all of Jawa.

This keris is from Madura, & it possibly has --- or had --- a unique Madura name, which might still be known by some people in Madura, but which I do not know.

Then we have another problem with the eroded condition of this keris. Determination of a dhapur depends upon the presence or absence of specific characteristics, & this keris is so badly eroded that we cannot be sure exactly what characteristics were present when it was new.

However, we are all free to name a keris which is in our care with its own name.

Pendita65 · Today, 08:37 PM

Thank you Mr. Maisey and Detlef,

yes i was curious what the dhapur would be, but most of the time the wilah is more in line with the hulu or ukiran. and this keris the wilah goes with a bevel arround 50 degrees.

So i was curious if this has a name in determinating a Keris.

Regards, Martin

Yesterday, 02:48 PM	#1
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 131	Madura Keris? Hi all, After lurking for the last six months I picked up this 9 luk Keris yesterday. It's I need of some serious TLC. It sure can use a good cleaning of the rust. I don't know a lot about it what I find interesting is that the wilah is standing in an angle from the Hilt. The Warangka is a model i have seen before but don't know how it is called. And my guess is that the Keris is from Madura. There is pamor to be seen but after derusting it might be better visible. Hope someone can provide me some more info about this Keris. Thnx for now and regards Martin Attached Images

Yesterday, 04:34 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	Hi Martin, Jep, the sarung is Madurese. But like you I can't name it exactly. Pics of my example attached. Regards, Detlef Attached Images

Yesterday, 04:45 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,409	All three I've have/had (one I sold) and one from Alan G. Maisey. Attached Images

Yesterday, 09:10 PM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,082	Yes, Madura, dress is a sandang walikat style. It is possible that in Madura, sandang walikat might be known by a different name, but if it is, I do not know that name.

Yesterday, 11:26 PM	#5
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 131	Thank you both so much, for the information. and i was also wondering the hilt /hulu when you hold it straight up the wilah is really under an angle, that is different than most of the keris i have. Maybe a stupid question but has it a name? And if i am right it has 9 luk? Regards, Martin

Today, 12:37 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,082	Did you mean a dhapur name? The dhapur names that are generally known come from a pakem, or guide-book that was produced as a reference to dhapurs as they were known in Surakarta. It is really only accurate for Surakarta, but we do tend to use those names for all of Jawa. This keris is from Madura, & it possibly has --- or had --- a unique Madura name, which might still be known by some people in Madura, but which I do not know. Then we have another problem with the eroded condition of this keris. Determination of a dhapur depends upon the presence or absence of specific characteristics, & this keris is so badly eroded that we cannot be sure exactly what characteristics were present when it was new. However, we are all free to name a keris which is in our care with its own name.

Today, 08:37 PM	#8
Pendita65 Member Join Date: Feb 2023 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 131	Thank you Mr. Maisey and Detlef, yes i was curious what the dhapur would be, but most of the time the wilah is more in line with the hulu or ukiran. and this keris the wilah goes with a bevel arround 50 degrees. So i was curious if this has a name in determinating a Keris. Regards, Martin