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Old 2nd June 2024, 11:27 AM   #1
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Default Throwing spear, Sudan?

Such spearheads have already been discussed on the forum. This is a short spear from my collection.

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Total length – 690 mm, tip length – 415 mm

The wooden shaft is covered with the skin of a Nile monitor lizard; it can be assumed that the spear is from the Blue and White Nile regions.

I'd be glad to hear your comments.
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Old 2nd June 2024, 12:00 PM   #2
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Hi Yuri,

Nice and interesting spear! Have a look here: https://african-weapons.com//gallery?african-spears It's the site I use when I want to identify something from Africa. Special when it comes to spears!

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Hi Detlef, thanks!

I know about this site, but there are no copies with such handles.

You can see something similar here:
https://ertribal.com/index.php/triba...-monitor-sudan

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When it comes to the spearhead I see some similarity with this one from the Dinka people. https://african-weapons.com//gallery...on-point-41-cm
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Hi Detlef, thanks!

I know about this site, but there are no copies with such handles.

You can see something similar here:
https://ertribal.com/index.php/triba...-monitor-sudan

Regards, Yuri
Yes, but only when it comes to the shaft.

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Old 2nd June 2024, 01:08 PM   #6
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Here is an old topic on the forum:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4911

The 1st tip is the same as mine.
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Here is an old topic on the forum:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4911

The 1st tip is the same as mine.
Jep, very similar! Crocodiles are and were common all over Africa.
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Old 2nd June 2024, 02:57 PM   #8
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I wonder if there is a missing shoe part to this spear? It is not made to throw like a dart or a javelin type spear and most have some kind of shoe like a spike, knob or rectangular shoe.
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Jep, very similar! Crocodiles are and were common all over Africa.
It's not a crocodile, it's a monitor lizard!
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I wonder if there is a missing shoe part to this spear? It is not made to throw like a dart or a javelin type spear and most have some kind of shoe like a spike, knob or rectangular shoe.
I received the spear in this form.
Perhaps this is a dart, or perhaps a later alteration, I don’t know, which is why I asked for advice.
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It's not a crocodile, it's a monitor lizard!
Also monitor lizards are also common all over Africa!
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