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It may be of interest to some, I would like to show you two Betel pestles and two handles for such pestles. Other members may also have such pieces to show.
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And here the two handles.
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Over 200 views and not one single comment?
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For your pleasure
The „scabbard“ is very heavy, mybe made from a gunbarrel. Best Thomas |
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Those are fun. Where are they from?
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Two modest new members entered the collection.
Both have wooden handles and show the most common motives, a man riding another man (I read somewhere that it's an ironic symbol for upper and lower population) and a bird, sometimes seen with a snake. |
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BTW, these pestles are called "plococan".
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My small collection of Plocokan from Bali and Lombok (I'm discovering the word, thanks Detlef).
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Detlef, in what language, or perhaps dialect is the name of these implements "plocokan" ?
This is not a confrontational question, it is request for clarification. Thank you. |
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I know these betel pestels only under this name but frankly I am unsuspecting which language this is! ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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Thank you for your prompt response , Detlef.
Here is the back story. Many years ago, I was told by a Balinese friend that the name for these things was "pelecok". A well informed Australian tribal arts dealer of Scots descent also used to refer to these little tools by the same name. I have not been able to confirm this name in recent years with anybody whom I know in Bali. However, in Javanese we have two words that can provide a root for "pelecok", these two words are "lecok", which as a verb becomes "nglecok" and means to crush or to grind finely to enable chewing, the second word is "locok", which as a verb becomes "nglocok", and with the same meaning, so not really two different words, but the same word with a variant pronunciation, possibly one pronunciation in Central Jawa, a variant pronunciation in East Jawa. When we use the prefix "pe", that root of "lecok/locok" becomes a noun:- "pelecok". It seems to me that the word you know, "plocokan", is from the same root. The use of the suffix "an" in Malay languages creates a noun from a verb and indicates both the result and the tool used to create the result. So " locok" becomes a noun:- "locokan", or "plocokan" , the missing "e" is common in both spelling and pronunciation in Malay languages, thus we can also write the word as "pelocokan" the sound would be the same to a foreign ear, eg:- "kris", "keris". The use of the prefix "pe" in Malay languages creates a noun from a verb and/or an action or instrument of an action. And that was the reason I asked my question. It would have been nice to able to identify the form you know with a definite source. |
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It could be that I picked up the term in an art book but I can't remember where but an art dealer I know well and situated in Bali uses the same term.
Regards, Detlef |
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