Any reviews on SULUK UKKIL ON THE BARONG?

Oliver Pinchot · 16th May 2023, 07:40 PM

Noticed this on Google, wondered if anyone has read it?
If so, please let us know whether you found it applicable
to the study of Moro arms.

xasterix · 17th May 2023, 02:02 PM

I was told by a Tausug elder that it is not as accurate as it should be...there's an interesting geopolitical struggle with regard to the Sulu people (Moro lineage, lived/grew up in PH) and the Suluk (Moro lineage, lived/grew up in Indomalay areas). There are deeper nuances than this (ideological, even religious differences), but that's mainly how I remember it, at least for me as an outsider.

Notice that the book title used "Suluk." There are differences in interpretation and, crassly speaking, even gaps in knowledge because of this geopolitical nuance. Not to throw any shade on the esteemed authors, but the Sulu-based elders of yesteryears had comprehensive barung and ukkil knowledge retained from previous generations, as compared to those that were consulted for the book.

As a disclaimer, my view is not open for debate. That's how I see it- and it can't be changed, as my mentors are Sulu elders and have gifted me with treasured knowledge not contained in the book- hence my bias.

Oliver Pinchot · 17th May 2023, 07:59 PM

Sorry, not clear-- have you read the book?

Thanks

xasterix · 18th May 2023, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

Sorry, not clear-- have you read the book?

Thanks

Yes I have. To summarize- the information about ukkil and the barung are inaccurate.

Oliver Pinchot · 18th May 2023, 10:20 PM

Thanks, much appreciated. Anyone else?

16th May 2023, 07:40 PM	#1
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xasterix Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Posts: 663	I was told by a Tausug elder that it is not as accurate as it should be...there's an interesting geopolitical struggle with regard to the Sulu people (Moro lineage, lived/grew up in PH) and the Suluk (Moro lineage, lived/grew up in Indomalay areas). There are deeper nuances than this (ideological, even religious differences), but that's mainly how I remember it, at least for me as an outsider. Notice that the book title used "Suluk." There are differences in interpretation and, crassly speaking, even gaps in knowledge because of this geopolitical nuance. Not to throw any shade on the esteemed authors, but the Sulu-based elders of yesteryears had comprehensive barung and ukkil knowledge retained from previous generations, as compared to those that were consulted for the book. As a disclaimer, my view is not open for debate. That's how I see it- and it can't be changed, as my mentors are Sulu elders and have gifted me with treasured knowledge not contained in the book- hence my bias.

17th May 2023, 07:59 PM	#3
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Sorry, not clear-- have you read the book? Thanks

18th May 2023, 10:20 PM	#5
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	Thanks, much appreciated. Anyone else?