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Hi, I hope everyone is doing well! Can anyone tell me about these Keris hilts? I think they are deder from Java but more carving then I have usually seen on similar ones.
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Recently made hilts in fantasy Central Javanese style....
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Yes! Deder from central Java...one good for patrem
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Hello Marco,
Are you Raspoutine actually? ![]() I thought he was killed during last century? ![]() Regards |
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Most are recent Jean, certainly, and the execution is not particularly good, but these are legitimate forms.
The smallish one looks as if it has a bit of age. |
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Thank you all!
Is there specific names or representations of each? To me the 2nd hilt looks like a naga? What is the form/design called for the last 2 that are geometric? |
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the first it's a "putri kinurung" the second a "naga" 3 an 4: variation of "naradakanda" |
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It would be helpful to see the others besides the naga form from a side angle as well.
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I obtained these because I liked the variety it shows in Javanese deder. If it were your collection, would these be something to add or pass on? Also, are there anything unique about them in general? Thanks again for all your insight |
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By "fantasy" I only meant "not standard" and I admit that they are not bad pieces although I would not collect them just because I am a classical collector. The smallest piece has some age indeed
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two fantasies
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Still not seeing the "fantasy".
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Really Marco?
Or perhaps you mean in the archaic sense:- "with sense" (Oxford) |
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I wrote thinking about what Jean had written. I thought you understood. Instead I was wrong O
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Hello Apolaki and everyone,
As far as I am concerned, the two rightmost handles are known as deder lempuyangan from Jogja. Lempuyang is a type of ginger and the hilt supposedly resemble the flower of the plant. The one with the snake is known as deder sirah sawer. Sirah means head and sawer means snake. So sirah sawer means snake head. Different people may call the hilts by different names. Last edited by rasdan; 9th August 2022 at 04:26 AM. |
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It's a beautiful hilt! The dark markings are what make me think it might be whale bone. See this Maori whale bone wahaika for comparison.
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Nice piece @@ ...you are right David.. they seem mare made by the same material
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I agree, it's most likely Whale bone.
We find old Pilot whale (Blackfish) bones in the salt marsh we live on the edge of. These bones have lots of 'pores' visible. Pilot whales strand on the barrier beach during the Fall and used to wash over into the marsh after storms; now the town comes out with a bulldozer and buries them. Kino has a kampilan with a whale bone handle and guard. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...+bone+kampilan |
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