My new Rapier with question

Merenti · 26th October 2021, 07:25 PM

Hey Guys,

here are my new beatuiful Rapier. The bladesmith is Tomas Aiala, but i can not found this marker ( T with crown). I hope u can tell what the secret is.

mariusgmioc · 26th October 2021, 09:46 PM

Toledo

Radboud · 26th October 2021, 11:08 PM

What a beautiful rapier, congratulations.

fernando · 27th October 2021, 11:11 AM

Excelent rapier, Merenti. If the mark shown has a little S between the crown and the T, this would be the personal mark of Thomas de Ayala. This would mean that you have the real thing, which is rather unusual; Ayala was one of names more used by other smiths to give their blades a grade of quality.
If instead the mark is a T with a little o over it, that would be one of marks of the city of Toledo, often used many of its smiths.

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Merenti · 27th October 2021, 04:20 PM

Hey Guys, Thank u for your opinion and thanks @Fernando!! I think this is the reason for the t.

Here are a pic from the other side, they are the same mark

midelburgo · 28th October 2021, 12:09 PM

Your rapier is esthetically pleasant.
If you want to be sure its blade is by Tomas Ayala, probably the best way is to make comparisons with well established examples. I believe Madrid Royal armories and the Wallace Collection have some.

AHorsa · 28th October 2021, 10:44 PM

What a beauty! I love the consistent decorative elements. Congrats and thanks for showing!

fernando · 29th October 2021, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Merenti

... @Fernando!! I think this is the reason for the t.
Here are a pic from the other side, they are the same mark

Merenti, i am sorry i don't get you. Which T are you referring to; the one of Ayala or one of Toledo.
Why don't you give a little cleaning to the mark, so tat we may better discern the details. Now that you showed the other side i seem to see different symbols

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Merenti · 29th October 2021, 04:42 PM

hey Fernando, when the rapier is at home and it feels good I take photos.

. Maybe the 1st side is Toledo and the 2nd side Aiala ?

mariusgmioc · 30th October 2021, 09:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Merenti, i am sorry i don't get you. Which T are you referring to; the one of Ayala or one of Toledo.
Why don't you give a little cleaning to the mark, so tat we may better discern the details. Now that you showed the other side i seem to see different symbols

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Exactly what I was thinking!

But BE VERY CAREFUL HOW YOU CLEAN THE MARK!

I suggest to drop one drop of WD40 on the mark and let it soak for a few hours (renew the process if the WD40 evaporates).

Then wipe the mark with cotton buds and WD40.

Anything else might be too aggressive and damage the mark.

PS: Fernando, I see the same T with "?" on top, the same like on the other side.

PPS: Either way, I believe you have the real thing!

fernando · 30th October 2021, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mariusgmioc

... Fernando, I see the same T with "?" on top, the same like on the other side.

...!

Says the young man; but my eyes are not the same any more, Marius

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26th October 2021, 07:25 PM	#1
Merenti Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 72	My new Rapier with question Hey Guys, here are my new beatuiful Rapier. The bladesmith is Tomas Aiala, but i can not found this marker ( T with crown). I hope u can tell what the secret is. Attached Images

27th October 2021, 11:11 AM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	If i am correct ... Excelent rapier, Merenti. If the mark shown has a little S between the crown and the T, this would be the personal mark of Thomas de Ayala. This would mean that you have the real thing, which is rather unusual; Ayala was one of names more used by other smiths to give their blades a grade of quality. If instead the mark is a T with a little o over it, that would be one of marks of the city of Toledo, often used many of its smiths. . Attached Images Last edited by fernando; 27th October 2021 at 12:22 PM.

27th October 2021, 04:20 PM	#5
Merenti Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 72	Hey Guys, Thank u for your opinion and thanks @Fernando!! I think this is the reason for the t. Here are a pic from the other side, they are the same mark Attached Images

26th October 2021, 09:46 PM	#2
mariusgmioc Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Austria Posts: 1,912	Toledo

26th October 2021, 11:08 PM	#3
Radboud Member Join Date: Sep 2021 Location: New Zealand Posts: 298	What a beautiful rapier, congratulations.

28th October 2021, 12:09 PM	#6
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 275	Your rapier is esthetically pleasant. If you want to be sure its blade is by Tomas Ayala, probably the best way is to make comparisons with well established examples. I believe Madrid Royal armories and the Wallace Collection have some.

28th October 2021, 10:44 PM	#7
AHorsa Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Rhineland Posts: 378	What a beauty! I love the consistent decorative elements. Congrats and thanks for showing!

29th October 2021, 04:42 PM	#9
Merenti Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 72	hey Fernando, when the rapier is at home and it feels good I take photos. . Maybe the 1st side is Toledo and the 2nd side Aiala ?