Technical question (construction of the Walloon sword)

Evgeny_K · 6th October 2021, 09:51 AM

Dear colleagues,
I would be grateful for opinions on the following question: is this "nut" a separate element (threaded connection) or is it a riveted part of the tang?
I'm assessing the possibility of neatly detach the blade from the hilt.

PS certainly "design" not "construction"

Victrix · 6th October 2021, 07:11 PM

I’m not an expert on this but typically I believe these 17thC swords have pommels with a button, on top of which the tang is peened. You should then see a round flattened sphere at the top of the button (not shown in photo). I hope a more expert member can confirm…

Merenti · 6th October 2021, 07:27 PM

hey Evgeny_K, that's mostly riveted and not screwed. Screw connections did not appear until around the 19th

Evgeny_K · 6th October 2021, 08:07 PM

Here it is

midelburgo · 7th October 2021, 12:49 PM

Maybe if you use after removing rust and for a short period a weak acid like a drop of vinegar, it will etch the metal from the pommel differently from the metal from the tang and you will distinguish what is what.

Triarii · 31st October 2021, 04:46 PM

Coming late to this, I have 9 C17th swords (all but one are English) and they all feature a tang 'bun' like this.

6th October 2021, 09:51 AM	#1
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Technical question (construction of the Walloon sword) Dear colleagues, I would be grateful for opinions on the following question: is this "nut" a separate element (threaded connection) or is it a riveted part of the tang? I'm assessing the possibility of neatly detach the blade from the hilt. PS certainly "design" not "construction" Attached Images Last edited by Evgeny_K; 6th October 2021 at 10:11 AM.

6th October 2021, 08:07 PM	#4
Evgeny_K Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 208	Here it is Attached Images

31st October 2021, 04:46 PM	#6
Triarii Member Join Date: Oct 2021 Location: Bristol Posts: 112	Walloon Swords construction Coming late to this, I have 9 C17th swords (all but one are English) and they all feature a tang 'bun' like this.

6th October 2021, 07:11 PM	#2
Victrix Member Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: Sweden Posts: 695	I’m not an expert on this but typically I believe these 17thC swords have pommels with a button, on top of which the tang is peened. You should then see a round flattened sphere at the top of the button (not shown in photo). I hope a more expert member can confirm…

6th October 2021, 07:27 PM	#3
Merenti Member Join Date: Aug 2021 Location: Germany Posts: 67	hey Evgeny_K, that's mostly riveted and not screwed. Screw connections did not appear until around the 19th

7th October 2021, 12:49 PM	#5
midelburgo Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 256	Maybe if you use after removing rust and for a short period a weak acid like a drop of vinegar, it will etch the metal from the pommel differently from the metal from the tang and you will distinguish what is what.