Troopers sword pattern 1821 identification

daggpil · 29th December 2020, 02:18 PM

Hello,

I would to the best of my knowledge of British swords say that this is a 1821 pattern troopers sabre, right?

What strikes me is the condition it is in. It seems that it almost spent its entire life in a cabinet..Is it common that these swords are "as new or almost as new"?

First I thougt that the scabbard was nickleplated but it is shiny bright metal and it does not look like someone polished it since new. Blade is spotless as well. Only the hilt has some patina.

For how long where these manufactured? The only marking I can see is a tiny stamp on the drag-shoe of the scabbard. So my next question is if it is possible to point out who could have made it?

Best regards/Ulrik Sjöberg, Sweden.

daggpil · 29th December 2020, 02:25 PM

on the blade and hilt.

Norman McCormick · 30th December 2020, 05:34 PM

Hi Ulrik,
This post might be of interest. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=P1821 There were numerous manufacturers and I'm sorry I'm not able to i.d. yours. The swords used by regular troops generally have Govt. acceptance stamps which are not apparent on yours so it might be a Yeomanry or Volunteer piece. Nice sword in good condition.
Regards,
Norman.

Will M · 30th December 2020, 09:59 PM

I believe this sword is not British but possibly a foreign country purchase.
The scabbard marking on the drag is not seen on any British swords.
There is no grip wire on British 1821P swords.
No British acceptance stamps on this one.
The scabbard has bands that are spaced much closer than seen on most British swords though Matt Easton recently sold an 1821p with the same scabbard band spacing marked to a yeomanry regiment and with acceptance markings.

daggpil · 1st January 2021, 08:32 PM

Ok, interesting, thanks for that information. I was going to sell it but the more I look at it - the more I like it. Well made and in fine condition so its a "keeper"

Br/Ulrik

29th December 2020, 02:18 PM	#1
daggpil Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 25	Troopers sword pattern 1821 identification Hello, I would to the best of my knowledge of British swords say that this is a 1821 pattern troopers sabre, right? What strikes me is the condition it is in. It seems that it almost spent its entire life in a cabinet..Is it common that these swords are "as new or almost as new"? First I thougt that the scabbard was nickleplated but it is shiny bright metal and it does not look like someone polished it since new. Blade is spotless as well. Only the hilt has some patina. For how long where these manufactured? The only marking I can see is a tiny stamp on the drag-shoe of the scabbard. So my next question is if it is possible to point out who could have made it? Best regards/Ulrik Sjöberg, Sweden. Attached Images

29th December 2020, 02:25 PM	#2
daggpil Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 25	Some more pictures on the blade and hilt. Attached Images

30th December 2020, 05:34 PM	#3
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi Ulrik, This post might be of interest. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=P1821 There were numerous manufacturers and I'm sorry I'm not able to i.d. yours. The swords used by regular troops generally have Govt. acceptance stamps which are not apparent on yours so it might be a Yeomanry or Volunteer piece. Nice sword in good condition. Regards, Norman.

30th December 2020, 09:59 PM	#4
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 391	I believe this sword is not British but possibly a foreign country purchase. The scabbard marking on the drag is not seen on any British swords. There is no grip wire on British 1821P swords. No British acceptance stamps on this one. The scabbard has bands that are spaced much closer than seen on most British swords though Matt Easton recently sold an 1821p with the same scabbard band spacing marked to a yeomanry regiment and with acceptance markings.

1st January 2021, 08:32 PM	#5
daggpil Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 25	Ok, interesting, thanks for that information. I was going to sell it but the more I look at it - the more I like it. Well made and in fine condition so its a "keeper" Br/Ulrik