MY FIRST BINANGON

Flavio · 18th May 2006, 05:45 PM

HELLO, THIS IS MY FIRST BINANGON, AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I LIKE IT VERY MUCH

AS YOU SEE THE HANDLE WAS LOOSE BUT WITH SOME CLOTH I WAS ABLE TO RE-CONNECTED THE HILT WITH THE BLADE AND NOW IS ALL VERY SOLID!!!!
JUST A QUESTION: DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE OVERCLEANED THE FERRULE AND THE BRASS STRIPS ON THE SCABBARD? THANK YOU

ariel · 18th May 2006, 11:22 PM

It's like an old joke: a prospective groom is furious at his matchmaker because the bride-to-be is blind on one eye, has crooked teeth, broken nose, misses one ear, limps and is a hunchback. "Well', says the matchmaker," either you like Picasso or you don't"
Do you like patinated things showing age or shiny things, the way they left the workshop?
I think both are OK. Personally, I rather like the shiny brass on your Binangon. Very nice sword! enjoy it.

Flavio · 19th May 2006, 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

I think both are OK. Personally, I rather like the shiny brass on your Binangon. Very nice sword! enjoy it.

Thank you Ariel, like you, i like shiny things too

Flavio · 20th May 2006, 02:50 PM

NO MORE COMMENTS???

Alam Shah · 20th May 2006, 03:01 PM

Hi Flavio,

Philippines weapons is not my area...but this one is real pretty. I especially love the blade, a well constructed piece. The scabbard is also nice. The hilt is ok, I've seen hilts with added silver/tint on the hilt (eyes, nose, fangs and cheeks...I think) which make it looks more awesome. Congrats! and enjoy.

Flavio · 21st May 2006, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alam Shah

Hi Flavio,

Philippines weapons is not my area...but this one is real pretty. I especially love the blade, a well constructed piece. The scabbard is also nice. The hilt is ok, I've seen hilts with added silver/tint on the hilt (eyes, nose, fangs and cheeks...I think) which make it looks more awesome. Congrats! and enjoy.

Thank you very much, Alam

zelbone · 21st May 2006, 04:15 PM

Nice binangon

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blades · 7th September 2006, 06:15 PM

nice piece!

Can anyone tell me the difference between a binangon and a tenegre (visayas, the Philippines)? They look very similar to me in some of the pictures I have seen.

Does anyone know of a good book source?

Thanks!

katana · 7th September 2006, 07:17 PM

Oh no.....I suspect that Flavio has been 'hitting the' vinegar .....AGAIN

Flavio.....please get some help....there must be a cure

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2638

I do like the blade..very nice

Flavio · 7th September 2006, 07:52 PM

Hello katana, no problem, i haven't etched this blade and i will leave it as it is because i like it. Now my problem is not vingard but wine

philkid · 8th September 2006, 06:11 AM

Hi Flavio, I may be wrong, but I think the pommel of your sword is new. The carvings and texture doesn't seem old enough. The blade is surely nice though. Did you put antique wax on the pommel and scabbard?

Flavio · 8th September 2006, 04:59 PM

Hi philkid, no i use only oil. Do you think that the handle is new? I'd like to ear also from other members, please. Thanks

VANDOO · 8th September 2006, 06:39 PM

IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO JUDGE AGE AND PATINA FROM A PICTURE SO YOU WOULD BE BETTER ABLE TO JUDGE IF THE HANDLE LOOKS NEWER THAN THE SCABBARD. THE TYPE OF WOOD ALSO HAS QUITE A BIT TO DO WITH IT AS PHILIPPINE MAHOGANY DOSEN'T AQUIRE A LOT OF PATINA AND IF IT HAS NOT SEEN A LOT OF USE CAN REMAIN FAIRLY NEW LOOKING FOR A LONG TIME. THE OIL AND GRIME FROM HANDS PLUS THE WEAR FROM USE ARE WHAT CAUSES MAHOGANY TO GET A GOOD PATINA. I WOULD GUESS THAT YOUR EXAMPLE COMES FROM PANAY AROUND WW2 AND WAS BOUGHT NEW AND SAW VERY LITTLE IF ANY ACTUAL USE. LOOK UNDER THE FERRULE WHERE IT FITS UP AGAINST THE POMMEL FOR DIRT AND AGE IF THE WOOD IS NOT FRESHLY CARVED THERE I WOULD SAY IT IS NOT NEW BUT ORIGINAL TO THE ITEM. THE CARVEING APPEARS ABOUT AVERAGE BUT THE BLADE LOOKS TO BE OF VERY GOOD WORKMANSHIP A NICE FIRST EXAMPLE CONGRADULATIONS.

TAKE A LOOK AT THE POST ON VISAYAS SWORDS BY BLADES YOU CAN SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF PATINA AND WEAR. THE THIRD PICTURE BY RHYSMICHAEL SHOWS A HANDLE AND SIMULAR FERRULE TO YOURS EXHIBITING WEAR AND PATINA. THE BLACK HANDLES ARE EITHER OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF WOOD OR PERHAPS SOAKED IN PITCH OR SOMETHING TO PRESERVE THEM BETTER. I HAVE SEVERAL WITH THE BLACK WOODEN HANDLES BUT HAVE NEVER TAKEN THEM APART TO SEE IF THE WOOD IS NATURAL OR STAINED OR COATED WITH SOMETHING, PERHAPS SOMEONE ELSE WILL KNOW.

Flavio · 25th September 2006, 10:42 AM

I have resumed this thread because i have remembered that when i have restored the handle first i have cleaned the hole in the handle where the tang have to go and in the cavity i have found some little pieces of a very old and deteriorated canvas. Maybe this isn't the proof that the handle is old, but anyway the old canvas could prove some age. Just an idea

Bill M · 25th September 2006, 02:13 PM

[QUOTE=ariel
Do you like patinated things showing age or shiny things, the way they left the workshop?
I think both are OK. Personally, I rather like the shiny brass on your Binangon. Very nice sword! enjoy it.[/QUOTE]

Flavio,

I agree with Ariel. I like the way your sword looks.

As far as shiny or patinated I try to understand the piece from the culture it came from and how they would keep their blades.

For instance it would be very wrong to keep a Javanese keris in old dress with heavy patination. IMHO the dress should be perfect and clean. Look like it was made yesterday and the blade also kept pristine and stained.

But this is an exception to my usual rule. I basically like warm, patinated old wood, or ivory, but I like the blades clear and clean. I believe most cultures kept their blades clean both from respect and preservation.

If there is repoussed or incised sliver, brass or bronze, I like to keep the patinaion in the crevices and just clean the surfce. This gives a nice depth to the metal, but if I overclean, it is easy to fix with "Liver of Sulphur."

I recently heavily cleaned an old Theyyam / temple sword. It is made of silver and had an overall dirty patination.

From the pictures of the current Thayyam in thier ritual trance dances, the silver always gleams. The sword I had was in a collection for many years and had acquired the overall dirty patination.

This felt very wrong.

Now it also gleams and seems happier. Can a sword feel????

I also try to communicate with the sword. I know this may sound strange, but I ask the sword to tell me how it wants to look. I may sit with it for hours in candle light meditation.

Most of the swords I acquire seem sadly neglected. And their spirits are sad. However after a bit of cleaning and some ren wax, a little smoke and they begin to brighten up.

While I am on this line of thought I also welcome them into my home and take them around and introduce them to my other pieces.

Metaphysically it gets a bit noisy at night when they are swapping stories!

Flavio · 25th September 2006, 02:23 PM

Cool Bill, this night i will try me too, but with two bottles of wine

!!
Thank you

18th May 2006, 05:45 PM	#1
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	MY FIRST BINANGON HELLO, THIS IS MY FIRST BINANGON, AND TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH, I LIKE IT VERY MUCH AS YOU SEE THE HANDLE WAS LOOSE BUT WITH SOME CLOTH I WAS ABLE TO RE-CONNECTED THE HILT WITH THE BLADE AND NOW IS ALL VERY SOLID!!!! JUST A QUESTION: DO YOU THINK THAT I HAVE OVERCLEANED THE FERRULE AND THE BRASS STRIPS ON THE SCABBARD? THANK YOU Attached Images

8th September 2006, 06:39 PM	#13
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	IT IS VERY DIFFICULT TO JUDGE AGE AND PATINA FROM A PICTURE SO YOU WOULD BE BETTER ABLE TO JUDGE IF THE HANDLE LOOKS NEWER THAN THE SCABBARD. THE TYPE OF WOOD ALSO HAS QUITE A BIT TO DO WITH IT AS PHILIPPINE MAHOGANY DOSEN'T AQUIRE A LOT OF PATINA AND IF IT HAS NOT SEEN A LOT OF USE CAN REMAIN FAIRLY NEW LOOKING FOR A LONG TIME. THE OIL AND GRIME FROM HANDS PLUS THE WEAR FROM USE ARE WHAT CAUSES MAHOGANY TO GET A GOOD PATINA. I WOULD GUESS THAT YOUR EXAMPLE COMES FROM PANAY AROUND WW2 AND WAS BOUGHT NEW AND SAW VERY LITTLE IF ANY ACTUAL USE. LOOK UNDER THE FERRULE WHERE IT FITS UP AGAINST THE POMMEL FOR DIRT AND AGE IF THE WOOD IS NOT FRESHLY CARVED THERE I WOULD SAY IT IS NOT NEW BUT ORIGINAL TO THE ITEM. THE CARVEING APPEARS ABOUT AVERAGE BUT THE BLADE LOOKS TO BE OF VERY GOOD WORKMANSHIP A NICE FIRST EXAMPLE CONGRADULATIONS. TAKE A LOOK AT THE POST ON VISAYAS SWORDS BY BLADES YOU CAN SEE SOME EXAMPLES OF PATINA AND WEAR. THE THIRD PICTURE BY RHYSMICHAEL SHOWS A HANDLE AND SIMULAR FERRULE TO YOURS EXHIBITING WEAR AND PATINA. THE BLACK HANDLES ARE EITHER OF A DIFFERENT KIND OF WOOD OR PERHAPS SOAKED IN PITCH OR SOMETHING TO PRESERVE THEM BETTER. I HAVE SEVERAL WITH THE BLACK WOODEN HANDLES BUT HAVE NEVER TAKEN THEM APART TO SEE IF THE WOOD IS NATURAL OR STAINED OR COATED WITH SOMETHING, PERHAPS SOMEONE ELSE WILL KNOW. Last edited by VANDOO; 8th September 2006 at 06:51 PM.

18th May 2006, 11:22 PM	#2
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It's like an old joke: a prospective groom is furious at his matchmaker because the bride-to-be is blind on one eye, has crooked teeth, broken nose, misses one ear, limps and is a hunchback. "Well', says the matchmaker," either you like Picasso or you don't" Do you like patinated things showing age or shiny things, the way they left the workshop? I think both are OK. Personally, I rather like the shiny brass on your Binangon. Very nice sword! enjoy it.

20th May 2006, 02:50 PM	#4
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	NO MORE COMMENTS???

20th May 2006, 03:01 PM	#5
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Hi Flavio, Philippines weapons is not my area...but this one is real pretty. I especially love the blade, a well constructed piece. The scabbard is also nice. The hilt is ok, I've seen hilts with added silver/tint on the hilt (eyes, nose, fangs and cheeks...I think) which make it looks more awesome. Congrats! and enjoy.

21st May 2006, 04:15 PM	#7
zelbone Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: VISAYAS and MINDANAO Posts: 169	Nice binangon .

7th September 2006, 06:15 PM	#8
blades Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: new mexico Posts: 4	nice piece! Can anyone tell me the difference between a binangon and a tenegre (visayas, the Philippines)? They look very similar to me in some of the pictures I have seen. Does anyone know of a good book source? Thanks!

7th September 2006, 07:17 PM	#9
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,653	Oh no.....I suspect that Flavio has been 'hitting the' vinegar .....AGAIN Flavio.....please get some help....there must be a cure http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=2638 I do like the blade..very nice

7th September 2006, 07:52 PM	#10
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hello katana, no problem, i haven't etched this blade and i will leave it as it is because i like it. Now my problem is not vingard but wine

8th September 2006, 06:11 AM	#11
philkid Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Philippines Posts: 52	Hi Flavio, I may be wrong, but I think the pommel of your sword is new. The carvings and texture doesn't seem old enough. The blade is surely nice though. Did you put antique wax on the pommel and scabbard?

8th September 2006, 04:59 PM	#12
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Hi philkid, no i use only oil. Do you think that the handle is new? I'd like to ear also from other members, please. Thanks

25th September 2006, 10:42 AM	#14
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	I have resumed this thread because i have remembered that when i have restored the handle first i have cleaned the hole in the handle where the tang have to go and in the cavity i have found some little pieces of a very old and deteriorated canvas. Maybe this isn't the proof that the handle is old, but anyway the old canvas could prove some age. Just an idea

25th September 2006, 02:13 PM	#15
Bill M Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Georgia Posts: 1,599	[QUOTE=ariel Do you like patinated things showing age or shiny things, the way they left the workshop? I think both are OK. Personally, I rather like the shiny brass on your Binangon. Very nice sword! enjoy it.[/QUOTE] Flavio, I agree with Ariel. I like the way your sword looks. As far as shiny or patinated I try to understand the piece from the culture it came from and how they would keep their blades. For instance it would be very wrong to keep a Javanese keris in old dress with heavy patination. IMHO the dress should be perfect and clean. Look like it was made yesterday and the blade also kept pristine and stained. But this is an exception to my usual rule. I basically like warm, patinated old wood, or ivory, but I like the blades clear and clean. I believe most cultures kept their blades clean both from respect and preservation. If there is repoussed or incised sliver, brass or bronze, I like to keep the patinaion in the crevices and just clean the surfce. This gives a nice depth to the metal, but if I overclean, it is easy to fix with "Liver of Sulphur." I recently heavily cleaned an old Theyyam / temple sword. It is made of silver and had an overall dirty patination. From the pictures of the current Thayyam in thier ritual trance dances, the silver always gleams. The sword I had was in a collection for many years and had acquired the overall dirty patination. This felt very wrong. Now it also gleams and seems happier. Can a sword feel???? I also try to communicate with the sword. I know this may sound strange, but I ask the sword to tell me how it wants to look. I may sit with it for hours in candle light meditation. Most of the swords I acquire seem sadly neglected. And their spirits are sad. However after a bit of cleaning and some ren wax, a little smoke and they begin to brighten up. While I am on this line of thought I also welcome them into my home and take them around and introduce them to my other pieces. Metaphysically it gets a bit noisy at night when they are swapping stories!

25th September 2006, 02:23 PM	#16
Flavio Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Italia Posts: 1,243	Cool Bill, this night i will try me too, but with two bottles of wine !! Thank you