Unknown dagger need to get identified.

Sajen · 16th December 2018, 05:11 PM

Hello dear members,

A good friend of mine asked me if I can post this dagger which he recently purchased at this place for comment since neither he nor I am able to identify it's origin and the possible name of this dagger.
Until now he don't have told me it's measurements but soon as I have them I will post them.
Any hints and comments are very welcome! Thank's in advance.

shayde78 · 16th December 2018, 06:34 PM

If I may hazard a guess, I'd say it is a Indian-made hunting dagger made to resemble European models. Looks mid-1800s to me with a possibly older blade.

That said, i certainly defer to the more learned folks on here

Tim Simmons · 16th December 2018, 07:49 PM

It looks old and a construct. The thimble in the handle is a little odd. The blade looks aggressive but the handle with grapes and vines looks more like the handle of a table knife or bread knife.

kronckew · 17th December 2018, 08:04 AM

Some of the script on the blade looks Georgian.

Cool bread knife handle. The marriage looks like a success.

Kubur · 17th December 2018, 10:15 AM

To me it's an Ottoman blade reused for an European hunting knife

Sajen · 22nd December 2018, 03:14 PM

Hello, thank you all for comment and please apologize that I join in late like this, I've been very ill.
The owner thought byself that the handle is most probably not original to the blade and that it is a bread knife handle.
It would be very useful to know if the inscription is indeed Georgian!

Thank you again,
Detlef

motan · 22nd December 2018, 05:55 PM

Hi Detlef, sorry to hear you were ill and I wish you full and quick recovery. The writing is 100% Arabic, though it is somewhat unclear here and there. I will not try to read it because I would make too many mistakes. Ask a native speaker and he could read it. I am not familiar at all with this type of dagger, but without an example, it is very hard to say if it is a construct. The guard, ferules and the hilt seem to fit well together, so I am not convinced.

Sajen · 23rd December 2018, 08:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by motan

Hi Detlef, sorry to hear you were ill and I wish you full and quick recovery. The writing is 100% Arabic, though it is somewhat unclear here and there. I will not try to read it because I would make too many mistakes. Ask a native speaker and he could read it. I am not familiar at all with this type of dagger, but without an example, it is very hard to say if it is a construct. The guard, ferules and the hilt seem to fit well together, so I am not convinced.

Hi Eytan, thank you very much for both, the get well soon wishes and the identification that the writing is Arabic.

I hope that someone will be prepared to translate the inscription!

Best regards,
Detlef

16th December 2018, 05:11 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Unknown dagger need to get identified. Hello dear members, A good friend of mine asked me if I can post this dagger which he recently purchased at this place for comment since neither he nor I am able to identify it's origin and the possible name of this dagger. Until now he don't have told me it's measurements but soon as I have them I will post them. Any hints and comments are very welcome! Thank's in advance. Attached Images

16th December 2018, 06:34 PM	#2
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	If I may hazard a guess, I'd say it is a Indian-made hunting dagger made to resemble European models. Looks mid-1800s to me with a possibly older blade. That said, i certainly defer to the more learned folks on here

16th December 2018, 07:49 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,807	It looks old and a construct. The thimble in the handle is a little odd. The blade looks aggressive but the handle with grapes and vines looks more like the handle of a table knife or bread knife.

17th December 2018, 08:04 AM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,183	Some of the script on the blade looks Georgian. Cool bread knife handle. The marriage looks like a success.

17th December 2018, 10:15 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	To me it's an Ottoman blade reused for an European hunting knife

22nd December 2018, 03:14 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Hello, thank you all for comment and please apologize that I join in late like this, I've been very ill. The owner thought byself that the handle is most probably not original to the blade and that it is a bread knife handle. It would be very useful to know if the inscription is indeed Georgian! Thank you again, Detlef

22nd December 2018, 05:55 PM	#7
motan Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Jerusalem Posts: 274	Hi Detlef, sorry to hear you were ill and I wish you full and quick recovery. The writing is 100% Arabic, though it is somewhat unclear here and there. I will not try to read it because I would make too many mistakes. Ask a native speaker and he could read it. I am not familiar at all with this type of dagger, but without an example, it is very hard to say if it is a construct. The guard, ferules and the hilt seem to fit well together, so I am not convinced.