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Hi Guys,
Do you know anything about this Ottoman trousse? I have seen many of them with 3 knives. I would like to know what they were used for... I'm not talking about the knife and fork, the use is obvious for this one. Just the ones with 3 identical knives... Thanks Kubur |
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Two thoughts occur to me, but these are offered merely as speculation:
-There may have been a dietary practice that required different utensils for different food items (I.e. along the lines of kosher requirements). Could also apply to processing meats vs. veggies, or cooked vs. uncooked foods in an early example of food safety procedures. -Or, could be a case of these being issued to those who had to prepare food for a large company on a regular basis. Processing an animal for the oven, grill, or pot is quite the task. I could see a cook sharpening his/her three identical blades in the morning. Then setting about his/her work, swapping out the dull blades for a sharp as the cutting tasks took their toll. Having knives of identical proportion, weight, and balance would allow the practiced hand to continue without missing a beat. |
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Seems a mismatched set to me. Why have brass handles and silver scabbard?
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It's logic for us... but for them back in time, i'm not so sure... I found another one from our favourite dealer... If someone can translate it's maybe written on it... |
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Never seen this type of knives before. They don’t look very martial so would guess they are eating utensils? Something for when you invite your friends out for a barbeque in nature? Both scabbards pictured are decorated with fish scales at the bottom, which could be a coincidence or point towards use with fish? The latter scabbard is clearly designed to be worn on a belt.
Or kebab vendor’s knife set? Perhaps the knife would need sharpening and there was no time so he would just grab the next knife available to avoid loss of custom to a nearby competitor? |
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Hi guys
more of these they are too nice to be butcher tools... |
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My version is that they have become popular thanks to janissaries.I've seen different combinations....Knife and fork ..knife , fork and skewer , but these are later combinations.
I have an excellent set, which I think is the middle of XVIII century ![]() As is known, janissaries have a special cult of eating.I suppose you know that instead of the battle flag they worship the bowl in which they prepare food for the horde.I suppose they used such utensils in their meals , and later and a consequence of richer merchants have taken this fashion and spread it across the Empire ![]() |
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North African, Algerian. I didnt't know about the Janissaries. I guess a translation of what is written on the blades could help... where is Ibraheem?? |
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I hope Mister Kwiatek will read this thread...
I need his help!!! Thanks In Europe they call these trousses 'hunting trousses"... |
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It reads, Nasr Min Allah wa Fath Qarib (Assistance from God and victory near- Quran 61:13.) This is perhaps the most common inscription on any Islamic weapon. Doesn't seem likely it was intended to inspire the user to call upon his faith in order to cut up kebabs.
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It depends if the meat is overcooked and hard to cut... ![]() There is another trousse but i cannot post it as it is for sale! ![]() ![]() |
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just cutlery, no weapons though...
there are also quite a lot on the market of the Bosniaken ( i.e. 1882-1916 period as described by me previously) as for the Arab writing on the examples posted below by Kubur Effendi : a neat knife but simple: normally a gentleman's knife would be more fanciful ( caligraphic). I believe this set to be made either by a local bladesmith (from the countryside?) trying his best with an excellent result considering his skills on cold weapons (excellent} but on the art limit of decorating rather limited ... or someone trying to add something to just an average set, regardless if they belong to the scabbard... some more nice trousse examples to look at : https://fi.pinterest.com/alpbamsi/ot...trousse-knife/ Last edited by gp; 20th June 2020 at 11:31 PM. |
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I'll move this to the miscellaneous side.
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This is the wrong place...
These knives are around 40cm long and they are ot cutlery. If all the knives around 40cm should be placed in the miscellania then you need to move half of the knives from ethnographic weapons to miscellania... to be consistent ![]() |
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my apologies if I made a mistake! I know the "Bosniaken"ones were cutlery but thank you Kubur for correcting me on the pre Bosniak ones being knives / cold weapons! |
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