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Just wanted to share my excitement with those of you who also are interested in Borneo spears.
Since I saw the reference picture in Bodrogi's Art of Indonesia below I have been looking for a Dayak spear with aso-motives on the blade. Collectors of 50+ years on Borneo weapons told me that there is no such thing and Bodrogi must have made the drawing based on his imagination. Then I noticed in the Juynboll Leiden catalogues (see below) that one of the spears had aso motives and this month I managed to find one myself. Enjoy! Michael |
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Very nice Triple-V!!!
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CONGRADULATIONS ON A RARE FIND!
![]() EVEN RELATIVY PLAIN DAYAK SPEARS SEEM TO BE IN VERY SHORT SUPPLY AS I HAVE NOT SEEN ONE FOR SALE YET. I SAW A NICE DISPLAY OF THEM IN THE MUSEUM IN KUCHING ,SARAWAK, THEY ARE DIFFERENT FROM THE MORE COMMON INDONESIAN AND MALAYSIAN SPEARS WHICH I SAW QUITE A FEW OF IN THE SHOPS BUT NO NATIVE DAYAK ONES. THE BLADES ARE LARGER AND DIFFERENT IN SHAPE, THEY ARE OFTEN MOUNTED TO THE SIDE OF THE SHAFT LIKE THE BLADES ON THE BLOWGUNS. DIFFERENT TRIBES HAD DIFFERENT FORMS AND MOUNTING METHODS, THEY ALSO HAD LONG SHAFTS CONSIDERING THE SIZE OF THE WARRIORS WHO USED THEM. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THE MUSEUMS EXAMPLES HAD ASO DESIGNS ON THE BLADES BUT IT MIGHT HAVE BEEN DISPLAYED WHERE THEY WERE NOT IN EVIDENCE. WHAT ARE THE MEASUREMENTS ON YOUR EXAMPLE? |
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It has been continually amazing to see rare and often never before seen Borneon stuffs some of which one (me particularly) never knew existed popping up at the forum from time to time. The Sabah Museum is quite an embarassment for references and it's heartening to see esteemed collectors elsewhere such as Ben (Dajak), Michael (VVV) etc preserving, sharing and surprising... Actually Borneon stuffs have never quite been amongst my interests (and still is) until Vandoo got my attention with the pakayun (which I didn't know what the hack it was then)...
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Beautiful piece - thank you for sharing it and the reference images.
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Vandoo,
The spear is 232 cm with its hardwood shaft and the spearpoint, without tang, is 40 cm. So it has the lenght, size and traditional rattan sidemount as you described. The spearpoint was loose when I recieved it and I don't dare to push in the tang all the way in case it would destroy the old rattan bindings. John, I recognise your lack of excitment. The same for me regarding Scandinavian knives and the related Finnish Puukkos (sp?) that the US collectors find exotic. Never even heard about that name before joining this list. If you ask a Swede for a Puukko he will either serve you a chocolate milk drink or start to laugh because Pucko is slang for an idiot. Mandau isn't an Iban word. Maybe they know it as Ilang? But traditionally Ibans didn't carry Mandaus until the 19th C when it was adopted from other Dayak tribes. Niabor, Langgai Tinggang and later Jimpul are the traditional Iban Parangs. And the more ritual Pedang that looks like the Batak Piso Podang. Michael |
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And thanks for the info Michael and sorry to be of hardly any help. ![]() |
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John,
Thanks for helping me reconfirm that my sources on the vocabulary is correct. I assume you mean Ilang or Parang(!) Ilang, not Pedang Ilang? On Mandau I don't remember at the moment what tribe/s it comes from but I think it's from Kalimantan. And it probably became popular as a generic term because of the early Europeans who wrote about Borneo? The Kayan word f.i. is Malat/Malab. Tromp use the word Mandau in his article published in 1887 and probably inspired Hein to do the same in his book on Dayak art published in 1890? Michael |
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Well, I'm merely an instrument conveying what I've been told and did remember the Iban guy (from Sarawak) telling me Pedang Ilang although another could well calls it a parang Ilang. But in all cases the word Ilang were used. In no absolute terms, I think Ilang is the more correct and pedang and parang are more loose terminology used here and there generally depending the term/vocabulary an average layman speaker is most familiar with.
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IT WOULD STAND TO REASON THAT SPEAR BLADES WOULD SOMETIMES BE GIVEN DECORATION, BECAUSE DECORATED SWORD BLADES ARE NOT RARE AND THE METAL WORKERS WERE VERY SKILLED. I IMAGINE THE REASON FOR MOST NOT HAVING ANY DECORATION IS BECAUSE OF COST, ONLY SOMEONE WITH THE WEALTH OR POWER WOULD HAVE THE EXTRA MONEY TO SPEND ON IT.
IT IS ALSO POSSIBLE THAT THE SOCIETY WOULD NOT ALLOW A PERSON TO HAVE THE DECORATION OR TO ADD IT TO A BLADE UNLESS THEY HAD EARNED THE HONOR THRU SOME DEED OR HAD ATTAINED THE WEALTH AND POSITION TO QUALIFY. OUTSIDERS DOING RESEARCH IN STRANGE SOCIETYS WHERE THEY DON'T SPEAK THE LANGUAGE OFTEN RELYING ON INTERPERTERS WHO HAVE NO SKILL OR TRAINING THAT DON'T UNDERSTAND THE FORIGNER THEY WORK FOR OR THE SOCIETYS THEY ARE STUDYING, UNDER SUCH CIRCUMSTANCES IT IS VERY EASY TO MAKE MISTAKES. FOR EXAMPLE A RESEARCHER ASKS INTERPRETER WHAT THE CHIEF CALLS HIS SWORD, THE CHIEF SAYS HE NAMED IT GEORGE, THE RESEARCHER WRITES HIS PAPER AND FOR MANY YEARS ALL FORIGNERS REFER TO ALL THE SWORDS FROM THE AREA AS GEORGE. THE LOCALS WONDER WHY ALL THE FORIGNERS ALWAYS CALL THIER PEDANG ILANGS GEORGE? ![]() |
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Hi Michael I like the spearhead so if you wanna part it you have my email address
![]() ![]() It is rare to have a spear head like yours because there are not much more left. An mandau was easy to take back but spears off this lengt are difficult to take with you. I have 2 different spears but not so beautiful as yours. Last edited by Dajak; 25th March 2006 at 01:17 AM. |
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Gorgeous spear head - you jerk - now you have me hooked on Borneo spear heads.
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