Luzon knife?

shayde78 · 5th December 2017, 07:57 AM

Can't quite call this one a dagger as it has a partial false edge on the back. It does seem to be consistent with examples from Luzon region of Philippines. It is just under 12" long. Very similar in feel to a SF commando dagger.

My main question (if, in fact, my above assertions are at all accurate), is if anyone can conjecture regarding the word "JALISE" and arrow shape inscribed on the ricasso. Any speculation is welcome.

Thanks everyone!

carlos · 5th December 2017, 09:05 AM

Hello
My first impression is that this dagger is from Mexico, and Jalise could be Jalisco.
Thanks
Carlos

Sajen · 5th December 2017, 06:42 PM

Hello Shayde78,

I agree with Carlos that it isn't from Luzon but other as Carlos I can't say from where. Who has sharpened the edge so badly?

Regards,
Detlef

shayde78 · 5th December 2017, 09:15 PM

Interesting about the possible Mexican origin. I had thought the buffalo horn handle suggested somewhere in Asia/Pacific region.

Please know, I received the blade in this condition. I would never try to sharpen with a rotary tool, and certainly never deface any blade in this manner.

Rich · 5th December 2017, 10:35 PM

Google "antique Mexican dagger" and then go to "images". There are several shown with similar handles and guards. Take many of the pics there with a grain of salt and they are obviously not Mexican.

Rich

Sajen · 5th December 2017, 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shayde78

Please know, I received the blade in this condition. I would never try to sharpen with a rotary tool, and certainly never deface any blade in this manner.

I don't want to offend you, but I know that it is a lot of work to get something like this out from a blade!

Battara · 6th December 2017, 01:20 AM

I agree in that this does not look Filipino to me but Mexican, based on the blade profile, the size of the quillions, and the profile of the hilt.

shayde78 · 8th December 2017, 02:39 AM

I 100% agree the blade profile suggests N. American influence (Mexico, SW United States, or thereabouts).

However, am I wrong that the buffalo horn hilt , its shape, and proportions is reminiscent of Philippine influence, as shown in the following threads:

thread 1
thread 2
thread 3
thread 4
and with a lot of similar examples, thread 5

I fully concede that some similar knife themes would have popped up in different regions of Spanish colonial influence. Again, I feel the horn hilt leans away from a N. American origin, but perhaps an imported blade found its way onto a handle of indigenous material. I'm OK with either conclusion, but I'll have to claim another bookcase if I now have begun a collection of Mexican edged items. My wife will be much more pleased if this could stay with my Asian items

shayde78 · 8th December 2017, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

I don't want to offend you, but I know that it is a lot of work to get something like this out from a blade!

Oh, and no offense taken, Sajen! I responded the way I did so that anyone stumbling upon this thread that had thoughts of doing something similar would understand with full clarity that they should restrain themselves.

5th December 2017, 07:57 AM	#1
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Luzon knife? Can't quite call this one a dagger as it has a partial false edge on the back. It does seem to be consistent with examples from Luzon region of Philippines. It is just under 12" long. Very similar in feel to a SF commando dagger. My main question (if, in fact, my above assertions are at all accurate), is if anyone can conjecture regarding the word "JALISE" and arrow shape inscribed on the ricasso. Any speculation is welcome. Thanks everyone! Attached Images

5th December 2017, 09:05 AM	#2
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	Hello My first impression is that this dagger is from Mexico, and Jalise could be Jalisco. Thanks Carlos

5th December 2017, 06:42 PM	#3
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,776	Hello Shayde78, I agree with Carlos that it isn't from Luzon but other as Carlos I can't say from where. Who has sharpened the edge so badly? Regards, Detlef

5th December 2017, 09:15 PM	#4
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	Interesting about the possible Mexican origin. I had thought the buffalo horn handle suggested somewhere in Asia/Pacific region. Please know, I received the blade in this condition. I would never try to sharpen with a rotary tool, and certainly never deface any blade in this manner.

5th December 2017, 10:35 PM	#5
Rich Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: comfortably at home, USA Posts: 432	Google "antique Mexican dagger" and then go to "images". There are several shown with similar handles and guards. Take many of the pics there with a grain of salt and they are obviously not Mexican. Rich

6th December 2017, 01:20 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I agree in that this does not look Filipino to me but Mexican, based on the blade profile, the size of the quillions, and the profile of the hilt.

8th December 2017, 02:39 AM	#8
shayde78 Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 445	I 100% agree the blade profile suggests N. American influence (Mexico, SW United States, or thereabouts). However, am I wrong that the buffalo horn hilt , its shape, and proportions is reminiscent of Philippine influence, as shown in the following threads: thread 1 thread 2 thread 3 thread 4 and with a lot of similar examples, thread 5 I fully concede that some similar knife themes would have popped up in different regions of Spanish colonial influence. Again, I feel the horn hilt leans away from a N. American origin, but perhaps an imported blade found its way onto a handle of indigenous material. I'm OK with either conclusion, but I'll have to claim another bookcase if I now have begun a collection of Mexican edged items. My wife will be much more pleased if this could stay with my Asian items