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Here is a Tsarist-era Dragoon Officer Shashka.
Zlatoust manufacture. Interestingly has a Cyrillic 'G' carved on the grip by an early owner. Very clean overall, not at all heavy in hand or scabbard. I like taking clean photos in natural light. My one reservation in sharing pics as a reference, is that such pics may help fakers. On the other hand, they can serve as reference to buyers looking to buy wisely. |
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A few more pics
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Beautiful example, Jon. Total length ?
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Thanks...I'll measure it once I get home. Oversight there..
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one more
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Blade: 77.5 cm (30.5 in.)
Overall length: 95 cm (37.5 in.) Last edited by Jon MB; 7th October 2017 at 09:40 PM. |
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Blade is a bit short for a dragoon. It would be safer to just label it an army officer's shashka.
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Location: Sweden
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Beautiful sword! Was the grip originally covered with leather or they were issued with plain wood like that?
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Thank you for comments. Yes, I think they were issued with uncovered grips.
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Might be horn and not wood?
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Grips are usually wood, or on occasion some sort of early bakelite.
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Yes the grip is correct I have seen original issue and or replacements also made out of wood when bake light would be broken or wood insert pieces in broken bake light handles , none of the Imperial Russian swords of this model had leather or wire wrapped handles I am aware of. Nice piece.
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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I came across this one 1892 not as high ranking or a less wealthy officers shashka. Longer blade 83cm. Model 1881. Don't shout it out at once.
This version of 1881 blade was used for dragoons, artillery and perhaps service corps. These blades where still produced into the 1930s as mechanisation was developing. I am not showing details to avoid getting in volved in the " Idee toute faite" and dogma {Chinese fake, reprodutions} that surrounds this form of blade especially in the soviet era. One of the most ignorant and dogmatic of perpetuated missconceptions being the idea that the stamping of 18 KP and the small upside down L letter is the sign that the blade is Chinese made as they do not understand Russian. The 18 KP is 18 kilopounds an established metalurgical test for strength/hardsness at the time, not used these days. An 18KP sword blade is quite a stiff blade not a slashing cavalry blade like the 1927 version, forms of which where also made in the Imperial Russia I was surprised to find that even many Russians follow the dogma especially if you really research the information available through publications in hard copy and on the internet. To me it seems simply more easy for the lazy to follow the dogma who perhaps many have not even had the blades in their own hands. You will find that there is a great many versions of blade especially for officers, marks and stampings with Solingen producing many Imperial officers blades. Now there are fakes/repro shashka, there is no denying it. To produce an 18KP rated blade is technical and exspensive $200 will not cover it. If an 18KP rated blade has a lot of flex then yes it is a fake/repro. 18KP is concidered too dangerous for practise HEMA type thing, let alone cost. Conclusion if your 18KP blade has plenty of flex then you know what you have. Last edited by Tim Simmons; Yesterday at 03:38 PM. |
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Just want to add this photo showing the very same blade and engraving as the original item in the thread. Obviously from the same workshop. Blade 78 cm long. Sorced from [Swords of the Tsarist Russia, Janusz Jaroslawski 2020] No mention of which arms factory produced the sword. An up market blade but not a one off. A mix and match budget choise for officers. Lovely sword to own.
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