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Well we all have a story about the one that got away, this is mine.
There was a museum in America, I forget which one but they sold this Majapahit spear tip. It used to be on display in the Museum. Anyway the seller who acquired it had it for ages and was having difficulty selling it, cant think why! Eventually they sold it on. I just missed it by a few days. What a beauty, I never seen a Majaphit spear tip like it since. I still cry over this one ![]() |
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I see any twin Puthut (Jawa = Puthut Kembar) at up side of this spear and the Twin Dragon (Jawa = Naga Kembar) at the bottom side (Sorsoran). I never seen or heard before that any OLD Keris or OLD Spear which has both of Naga Kembar and Puthut Kembar on one piece. Both of it has a different histories. So, the spear like this can be called as KALAWIJAN. For comparison : http://gallerykeris.fotopic.net/p24159798.html This Trisula made about 1960's - 1970's from Aeng Tong-Tong Madura island. I more like if this spears told as it was. I really don't know how the Maduranese Spears which made about 1960's - 1980's can changed to be a Majapahit Spears ![]() ![]() Did you has know ![]() |
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Nice story Pusaka, thanks for the chuckle.
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Pusaka, what museum was this supposed to have been in? Did this information come from the museum itself or the guy trying to sell the spear? Two points i'd like to drive home here:
1. Sellers have been known to lie inorder to get high prices for low value items. 2. Yes, museums, even good museums can and have been wrong about all kinds of things that have been in their collections for years. This is especially easy in the field of ethnographic edged weapons and especially especially easy when it comes to weapons of Indonesia. The fact is that there are very, very, very few people who can be considered "experts" on these weapons, even in Indonesia itself where the larger part of the population have, for better or worse, but this aspect of their heritage behind themselves. So even if the seller wasn't tell you a fish story this doesn't mean that the museum didn't have it completely wrong. If i were you i would consider youself luck you were late getting to this auction. ![]() |
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REGARDLESS OF ALL THE STORYS AND POSSIBLE INCORRECT INFORMATION IT IS A VERY COOL LOOKING SPEAR TIP
![]() I HAVE A EXAMPLE THAT I GOT ON AMBON ISLAND IN THE MOLUCCAS IT IS SAID TO HAVE BELONGED TO THE RAJAH NAULU OF CERAM. I WILL TRY AND FIND IT AND TAKE A PICTURE. I DON'T KNOW IF THE STORY IS TRUE OR NOT BUT IT IS A NICE ITEM AND I HAD FUN BARGINING FOR IT ,BUT THAT IS ANOTHER STORY ![]() |
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Yes this is a beautiful puppy (woof!
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To estimate where the keris or spears come and when it made (Jawa = Tangguh), we must knew about the iron. It just go back to the purpose of TOSAN AJI. Tosan mean Iron, and AJI mean Magical power (Tuah). So, first thing which we much know is an iron it self. How the iron fibrous, try to know the forge technique. Then we must know well about the styles the blade and ricikans ect. Here I posted the example of the iron spear and keris from Majapahit period. |
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On the subject of Majaphit has anyone got any idea what this object was used for
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Ha-ha I think I just worked it out
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Easier to look at it in the proper orientation .
Looks like a wayang figural tombak with a Balinese Ganesha ukiran . |
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