Spears, arrows, axes, daggers, &c

centenar · 28th April 2015, 09:41 PM

So I've got a whole lot of diverse objects here. Anyone able to identify any of them? I have measurements on some of the larger items.

Box A-Axes, daggers, &c
1. Some kind of tool? 12 cm in length, 5 cm height, 2cm diameter of shaft
2. No idea what this is. 5.7cm height, 5.1cm at widest point, 3.2 diameter
8. Axe head, 22.5cm long, blade 9.5 cm height
10. 22cm long, 9cm high
11. European dagger? 22 cm blade, 33.6 cm overall, 3 cm widest point of blade

Box B-Spear parts
1. 44.5cm overall, 33cm blade, 4.5 cm widest point
2. 33.4cm overall, 20cm blade, 4.5cm widest, 1.9cm diameter at shaft
3. 26cm overall, 15.8 blade (including the flanges), 1.7 diameter

Box C-Arrow points. Could some of these be small spear points?

Let me know what you think, or where I should look to identify them/any resources/books I can use. Thanks!

VANDOO · 29th April 2015, 06:24 AM

THE MAJORITY OF THESE APPEAR TO BE MADE OF BRONZE. THERE ARE A FEW STEEL SPEAR POINTS THAT LOOK AFRICAN #2,#3 & #4. THE ARROW POINTS, AX HEADS, AND SWORD IS LIKELY BRONZE AGE OR REPLICAS OF BRONZE AGE. #8 & #10 LOOK TO BE IRON. THE FIRST PICTURE LOOKS LIKE ARROW POINTS OR IF OVERLY LARGE SPEAR POINTS. A MAGNET WILL QUICKLY TELL YOU WHICH IS IRON AND WHICH IS BRONZE OR COPPER. QUITE A NICE SELECTION. WELCOME TO THE FORUM.

centenar · 30th April 2015, 05:24 PM

Awesome thanks for the help! I didn't even think of using a magnet...

I took some pictures of the detail on spears 2 & 3 and axes 8 & 10.

What can I look for to tell the difference between real and replicas?

VANDOO · 30th April 2015, 06:58 PM

THESE 4 PICTURES ALL LOOK AFRICAN TO ME THE FIRST ONE APPEARS TO BE A WOOD CARVING CHISEL, THE SECOND EITHER A AX HEAD OR SCARIFICATION KNIFE BUT FROM THE SIZE I THINK AX HEAD. ALL 3 IRON SPEARS LOOK AFRICAN 2 HAVE SOCKETS AND ONE A SIMPLE TANG AND BARB.
THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING REPLICA BRONZE AGE ITEMS FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND CAN PUT ON A VERY CONVINCING PATINA. THE REPLICAS ARE OFTEN SO GOOD IT TAKES AN EXPERT OR TESTS TO TELL FOR SURE. GOOD PROVENIENCE IS RARE TO FIND SO WHEN I COLLECT SUCH THINGS I ALWAYS ASSUME ITS A FAKE , BUT IF THE WORKMANSHIP, PATINA AND PRICE IS ATTRACTIVE I GET IT ANYWAY.
SEARCH THE FORUM FOR SCARIFICATION KNIVES I THINK THERE IS SOME INFORMATION IN THE ARCHIVES. GOOD LUCK

28th April 2015, 09:41 PM	#1
centenar Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Pennsylvania, US Posts: 2	Spears, arrows, axes, daggers, &c So I've got a whole lot of diverse objects here. Anyone able to identify any of them? I have measurements on some of the larger items. Box A-Axes, daggers, &c 1. Some kind of tool? 12 cm in length, 5 cm height, 2cm diameter of shaft 2. No idea what this is. 5.7cm height, 5.1cm at widest point, 3.2 diameter 8. Axe head, 22.5cm long, blade 9.5 cm height 10. 22cm long, 9cm high 11. European dagger? 22 cm blade, 33.6 cm overall, 3 cm widest point of blade Box B-Spear parts 1. 44.5cm overall, 33cm blade, 4.5 cm widest point 2. 33.4cm overall, 20cm blade, 4.5cm widest, 1.9cm diameter at shaft 3. 26cm overall, 15.8 blade (including the flanges), 1.7 diameter Box C-Arrow points. Could some of these be small spear points? Let me know what you think, or where I should look to identify them/any resources/books I can use. Thanks! Attached Images

29th April 2015, 06:24 AM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE MAJORITY OF THESE APPEAR TO BE MADE OF BRONZE. THERE ARE A FEW STEEL SPEAR POINTS THAT LOOK AFRICAN #2,#3 & #4. THE ARROW POINTS, AX HEADS, AND SWORD IS LIKELY BRONZE AGE OR REPLICAS OF BRONZE AGE. #8 & #10 LOOK TO BE IRON. THE FIRST PICTURE LOOKS LIKE ARROW POINTS OR IF OVERLY LARGE SPEAR POINTS. A MAGNET WILL QUICKLY TELL YOU WHICH IS IRON AND WHICH IS BRONZE OR COPPER. QUITE A NICE SELECTION. WELCOME TO THE FORUM.

30th April 2015, 05:24 PM	#3
centenar Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Pennsylvania, US Posts: 2	Awesome thanks for the help! I didn't even think of using a magnet... I took some pictures of the detail on spears 2 & 3 and axes 8 & 10. What can I look for to tell the difference between real and replicas? Attached Images

30th April 2015, 06:58 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THESE 4 PICTURES ALL LOOK AFRICAN TO ME THE FIRST ONE APPEARS TO BE A WOOD CARVING CHISEL, THE SECOND EITHER A AX HEAD OR SCARIFICATION KNIFE BUT FROM THE SIZE I THINK AX HEAD. ALL 3 IRON SPEARS LOOK AFRICAN 2 HAVE SOCKETS AND ONE A SIMPLE TANG AND BARB. THEY HAVE BEEN MAKING REPLICA BRONZE AGE ITEMS FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND CAN PUT ON A VERY CONVINCING PATINA. THE REPLICAS ARE OFTEN SO GOOD IT TAKES AN EXPERT OR TESTS TO TELL FOR SURE. GOOD PROVENIENCE IS RARE TO FIND SO WHEN I COLLECT SUCH THINGS I ALWAYS ASSUME ITS A FAKE , BUT IF THE WORKMANSHIP, PATINA AND PRICE IS ATTRACTIVE I GET IT ANYWAY. SEARCH THE FORUM FOR SCARIFICATION KNIVES I THINK THERE IS SOME INFORMATION IN THE ARCHIVES. GOOD LUCK