Chinese Military Hanger of Historical Interest

kahnjar1 · 11th October 2014, 08:16 AM

Just picked up this interesting and historical Chinese Military Hanger in a Shanghai flea market.http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19165
Overall 16" /410 mm with blade of 11"/280mm.
The blade is dated 1936 and carries other (as yet) untranslated marks. The hilt also has the Nationalist Star Emblem.
The hilt and furniture are of brass showing good age patina, and the Chinese literally translates as follows:
First pic: Presented by Schoolmaster Jiang Zhongzheng (also known as Chiang Kai-Shek)
Second pic:6th Term of Huang Pu (Whampoa) Military School
Here are Wikipedia links to both.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whampoa_Military_Academy
Something a bit different, and I hope you find of interest.

Timo Nieminen · 11th October 2014, 11:55 AM

Looks like a modern repro/fake to me. (I have one that is similar, though with a longer blade.) The 6th term of Huang Pu Academy would have been in 1926, not 1936. By 1936, the academy had moved and had been renamed.

The genuine daggers of this type I've seen have thinner blades (if I guess this one's thickness accurately), and either have no ricasso, or a different transition from ricasso to edge. The Hanwei reproduction does have this kind of ricasso, so perhaps it is an accurate feature for some of these daggers.

This looks very much like the common repros/fakes of today - can find very similar on ebay or aliexpress. Similar patina too. So much closer to them in appearance than the originals I've seen, so I'd assume it a fake.

Terry K · 11th October 2014, 02:45 PM

For sure a modern fake/repro Not a very good one either

spiral · 11th October 2014, 08:02 PM

That's is a shame Khanjar ...

As always it seems buying collectables in or from China is as always highly risky, whether actually there or on ebay.

I suspect that's been true, for a very long time.

Hope it was dirt cheap?

spiral

kahnjar1 · 11th October 2014, 11:02 PM

Thanks guys and it really does not surprise me. I saw many obvious copies of this type in Hong Kong, but they all had the scabbard parts attached with obviously modern screws. This one does not have the parts screwed on.
I bow to greater knowledge on these items as quite frankly they are way out of my knowledge (and collecting) field. A nice souvenir anyway and it cost VERY little..........

11th October 2014, 08:16 AM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Chinese Military Hanger of Historical Interest Just picked up this interesting and historical Chinese Military Hanger in a Shanghai flea market.http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19165 Overall 16" /410 mm with blade of 11"/280mm. The blade is dated 1936 and carries other (as yet) untranslated marks. The hilt also has the Nationalist Star Emblem. The hilt and furniture are of brass showing good age patina, and the Chinese literally translates as follows: First pic: Presented by Schoolmaster Jiang Zhongzheng (also known as Chiang Kai-Shek) Second pic:6th Term of Huang Pu (Whampoa) Military School Here are Wikipedia links to both. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiang_Kai-shek http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whampoa_Military_Academy Something a bit different, and I hope you find of interest. Attached Images

11th October 2014, 11:55 AM	#2
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	Looks like a modern repro/fake to me. (I have one that is similar, though with a longer blade.) The 6th term of Huang Pu Academy would have been in 1926, not 1936. By 1936, the academy had moved and had been renamed. The genuine daggers of this type I've seen have thinner blades (if I guess this one's thickness accurately), and either have no ricasso, or a different transition from ricasso to edge. The Hanwei reproduction does have this kind of ricasso, so perhaps it is an accurate feature for some of these daggers. This looks very much like the common repros/fakes of today - can find very similar on ebay or aliexpress. Similar patina too. So much closer to them in appearance than the originals I've seen, so I'd assume it a fake.

11th October 2014, 02:45 PM	#3
Terry K Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 86	For sure a modern fake/repro Not a very good one either

11th October 2014, 08:02 PM	#4
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	That's is a shame Khanjar ... As always it seems buying collectables in or from China is as always highly risky, whether actually there or on ebay. I suspect that's been true, for a very long time. Hope it was dirt cheap? spiral

11th October 2014, 11:02 PM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Thanks guys and it really does not surprise me. I saw many obvious copies of this type in Hong Kong, but they all had the scabbard parts attached with obviously modern screws. This one does not have the parts screwed on. I bow to greater knowledge on these items as quite frankly they are way out of my knowledge (and collecting) field. A nice souvenir anyway and it cost VERY little..........