Need help Persian??

Kubur · 3rd May 2014, 08:07 PM

Good afternoon

Here my babies
I need your help to identify the second one from the top.
Is it a Persian shamshir?
and the date, 19 or 18th??
Do you know some shamshir with such inlay in the metal?
It's a kind of cooper...

Merci choukran thanks

Robert · 4th May 2014, 07:07 AM

Hello Kubur, I really believe that to receive the information that you are requesting clearer and more detailed photos of the sword in question are going to be needed.

Best,
Robert

Kubur · 11th May 2014, 07:27 PM

Thanks Robert.
I will post photos in a new post.
Kubur

Kubur · 11th May 2014, 07:46 PM

Dear All,

I need your help to identify this sword.
I hopre it is a Persian shamshir.
But which date, 19 or 18th??

Do you know some shamshir with such inlay in the metal?
It's a kind of cooper...

Many thanks for help
cheers

Kubur · 13th May 2014, 08:43 PM

No idea?????
Thanks

Oliver Pinchot · 14th May 2014, 02:44 AM

This is Northern Indian work, with a lot of stylistic juxtaposition. It's hilted in the Persian style but with more Central Asian-type leather-covered wooden grips. The blade has both Persian (lack of broadened ricasso and lenticular section) and Ottoman (distinct yelman or backedge) influence, as well as some sort of profiling to the spine. The brass inlay emulates inscriptions and perhaps fullering. It probably dates in the first half of the 19th century, getting on toward 1850. Swords of this type are often associated with Sind and Afghanistan.

Kubur · 14th May 2014, 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

This is Northern Indian work, with a lot of stylistic juxtaposition. It's hilted in the Persian style but with more Central Asian-type leather-covered wooden grips. The blade has both Persian (lack of broadened ricasso and lenticular section) and Ottoman (distinct yelman or backedge) influence, as well as some sort of profiling to the spine. The brass inlay emulates inscriptions and perhaps fullering. It probably dates in the first half of the 19th century, getting on toward 1850. Swords of this type are often associated with Sind and Afghanistan.

Thanks again Olivier
I fully agree.
The grip looks like Central Asia, caucasus.
The general style is Persian.
And the design on the blade looks like a sword published by Tirri.
At the beginning of his book, he mentions a sword of Lawrence of Arabia
This Sword is Indian with almost the same design on the blade.

Now my question is:
Do we know the meaning of this design / symbol???
Thanks

3rd May 2014, 08:07 PM	#1
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Need help Persian?? Good afternoon Here my babies I need your help to identify the second one from the top. Is it a Persian shamshir? and the date, 19 or 18th?? Do you know some shamshir with such inlay in the metal? It's a kind of cooper... Merci choukran thanks Attached Images

11th May 2014, 07:46 PM	#4
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	mysterious inlay in shamshir Dear All, I need your help to identify this sword. I hopre it is a Persian shamshir. But which date, 19 or 18th?? Do you know some shamshir with such inlay in the metal? It's a kind of cooper... Many thanks for help cheers Attached Images

4th May 2014, 07:07 AM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Kubur, I really believe that to receive the information that you are requesting clearer and more detailed photos of the sword in question are going to be needed. Best, Robert

11th May 2014, 07:27 PM	#3
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Thanks Robert. I will post photos in a new post. Kubur

13th May 2014, 08:43 PM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	No idea????? Thanks

14th May 2014, 02:44 AM	#6
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 457	This is Northern Indian work, with a lot of stylistic juxtaposition. It's hilted in the Persian style but with more Central Asian-type leather-covered wooden grips. The blade has both Persian (lack of broadened ricasso and lenticular section) and Ottoman (distinct yelman or backedge) influence, as well as some sort of profiling to the spine. The brass inlay emulates inscriptions and perhaps fullering. It probably dates in the first half of the 19th century, getting on toward 1850. Swords of this type are often associated with Sind and Afghanistan.