Spear / lance

[danny1976]

This is the other lance i picked up .

Also in Holland for at least 50 years .
Total length is 1.85 m. Imo it is short but the shaft isn,t shortend so i supose the length is original.

But the origin The first thing that raised in my brains was Nias but that is just a wild quess.. Hope someone has a idea .

regards,

Danny

[VANDOO]

YOU HAVE BEEN LUCKY TWO VERY NICE SPEARS AT ONE TIME. I CAN'T BE OF MUCH HELP HERE EITHER BUT I WOULD SAY NIAS IS LIKELY A GOOD GUESS. THE PATINA IS GOOD ON THIS SPEAR AS WELL AS THE OTHER ONE AND I WOULD GUESS BOTH SPEARS WERE OLD WHEN AQUIRED BY THE COLLECTER YOU GOT THEM FROM. CONGRADULATIONS

[Albert]

Congratulations with this find! Very nice indeed. I had my eyes on the lot, but the photo's were too bad to make a decision. I am looking forward to the other two.

This one indeed makes me think of Nias, but not quite.
See the photo of several Nias spears (Modigliani collection, Florence, Italy).

I think this one is from Aceh, Sumatra.
The base of the blade (covered with brass instead of in one piece with the rest of the iron blade) is exceptional.

[Sajen]

Great catch!

[asomotif]

Hi Danny,

The upper part of the shaft, is it oxagonal ? (eight flattened sides ?)

Best regards,
Willem

[asomotif]

Ps. here a Atjeh lance with similar shape.

[danny1976]

Everybody thanks for the reply's and the photo's !

Albert you are right that the photo's from the seller where not realy good but i'm glad that i did take the gamble
If i have time this weekend i Wil make photo's from the other two spears that where in the same lot .

Thanks Sajen !


Vandoo , yea the have great patin and the don't come from a collector what i always considers as something good . The seller did get this spears from his father when he was still a boy and the last 20+ years the just stand in a corner of his garage .

Willem the upper part of the shaft is not oxagonal , nice spear on youre photo is the length also around 1.85 ?

Regards,

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by danny1976

Willem the upper part of the shaft is not oxagonal , nice spear on youre photo is the length also around 1.85 ?

Hello Danny,

My example is 1.70 m. But it looks like it has been slightly longer in the past.

[asomotif]

Last week I was lucky enough to buy an rare atjeh lance.
I was wondering where I had seen this type before. Well on the forum ofcourse :-)
I bought it from the son of the person who brought it to the Netherlands in 1923.

[Maurice]

Congratz Willem with your nice find.

Are the protrusions in between the brass sleeve and the lancehead a silver alloy or silver?

- Maurice -

[kai]

Nice example, Willem!

Are the protrusions in between the brass sleeve and the lancehead a silver alloy or silver?

Hello Maurice,

I'd guess at brass or bronze. It does have a different hue but does not strike me as silver alloy...

Regards,
Kai

[Battara]

After closer examination of the photo, I'm agreeing with Kai - bronze, more likely brass based on the color of the different patinas and types of patinas.

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Congratz Willem with your nice find.

Are the protrusions in between the brass sleeve and the lancehead a silver alloy or silver?

- Maurice -

Hello Maurice, nice to see you on the forum again.

It has a brass colour, but It was quite easy to get it shining.

Best regards,
Willem

[efrahjalt]

Danny,

That is a beautiful piece you have, a treasure. Thank you for posting.

I picked this one up a while back and have been meaning to do some more research on it. I knew that it must be SE Asia, but I wasn't sure where exactly it should be placed. Your post has given me a big head start so thought I would share here to add to the discussion. Looks like I should be looking at Ache.

Can you tell what type of wood the haft is? I just picked up another that I believe is Moro and it has a lovely tapered haft of palm wood (2.26M total length). I wouldn't mind giving this one a new haft at some point, but if I do I want to do it with an appropriate wood.

[asomotif]

Hello Efrahjalt,

That is definately an atjeh spear head you have there.
The example that I posted has a sort of rottan as a shaft.
But that is not very common.
Most atjeh lances I have seen have a dark hardwood shaft.

Best regards,
Willem

[Ren Ren]

Originally Posted by asomotif

The example that I posted has a sort of rottan as a shaft.
But that is not very common.
Most atjeh lances I have seen have a dark hardwood shaft.

Thank you, Willem!
I was very interested to learn about the shaft made of rottan. The natural materials used to make traditional weapons in Southeast Asia is a very exciting area for me.
Sincerely
Serge

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Hello Maurice, nice to see you on the forum again.

It has a brass colour, but It was quite easy to get it shining.

Best regards,
Willem

Thank you Willem.
Very nice!

Kind regards,
Maurice

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by asomotif

Last week I was lucky enough to buy an rare atjeh lance.
I was wondering where I had seen this type before. Well on the forum ofcourse :-)
I bought it from the son of the person who brought it to the Netherlands in 1923.

Hello Willem,

Very nice spear! Are the pictures from the family of the person who brought it to the Netherlands?

Regards,
Detlef

[asomotif]

Hello Detlef, The picture of the SS Insulinde is from internet.

The poor pictures of the spear are with my smartphone