Java or Out side Java Blade/Hilt-all comments welcome.

mykeris · 18th May 2013, 04:35 PM

Just found this keris. Blade length 20cm, blade width (at he largest point): 6 cm
The blade is very thin from base to end. Appreciate your comments, tq..Mykeris

Jean · 18th May 2013, 04:43 PM

Hello Mykeris,
The wooden hilt is in "Ganesha" style from Tegal (Java North Coast) and the blade could be either a real antiquity or a smart fake, I frankly don't know, but I hope that the price per gram was less than for gold

Regards

mykeris · 18th May 2013, 05:28 PM

thanks Jean, when oiled, i could see some wayang figural forms on the blade. Theres more different figural forms on the other side of the blade. These forms cannot be seen without oiling it. .very thin blade. unfortunately I couldnt snap it, I am running out of battery. yes, I think its Javanese keris.

mykeris · 18th May 2013, 05:46 PM

Many Hindu forms on the other side of the blade.

Marcokeris · 18th May 2013, 08:26 PM

Imo the hilt "could" have some age... but the blade seems a nightmare (of course in my opinion)

mykeris · 19th May 2013, 01:14 PM

this keris will be sent to the Malaysian Museum for further authentication and research as requested by one of its officials. The blade shows very strong hindu influence, hopefully its genuine.

Jean · 19th May 2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by mykeris

this keris will be sent to the Malaysian Museum for further authentication and research as requested by one of its officials. The blade shows very strong hindu influence, hopefully its genuine.

Good idea to send it to the museum for authentificating the blade, it is very difficult to judge from the pictures but the wayang figure visible on your first picture of the oiled blade looks too intact to be old IMO but of course I could be wrong. Best wishes and please keep us informed of the result.

Regards

mykeris · 21st May 2013, 08:01 AM

Sorry, the museum says..a newly made keris but interesting motifs.

Jean · 21st May 2013, 08:56 AM

Hi Mykeris,
Thank you for sharing the bad news with us

and a good lesson for all the collectors!
Regards

mykeris · 23rd May 2013, 12:58 AM

Hi Jean,
Just got this verbal news from the museum, they retracted their earlier comments. After undergone several tests, the blade is of extra-ordinary archaic buda forms with wayang motifs. Blade thickness is considered unordinary-very thin through out perhaps one of its kind in this form. The hilt is new and mendak comes from the 1800s era. rgrds,

A. G. Maisey · 23rd May 2013, 05:02 AM

Very interesting.

Do you know what tests were done, and how?

The qualifications of the testers?

Or are we just looking at an opinion?

Thank you.

mykeris · 23rd May 2013, 05:44 AM

Thanks Alan.
I would not question museum's standard. tq

it is a Full Stop.

A. G. Maisey · 23rd May 2013, 07:39 AM

Thank you for your enlightening response.

mykeris · 23rd May 2013, 09:38 AM

Kind regards,Mykeris.

Jean · 23rd May 2013, 06:06 PM

Hello Mykeris,
Hum, do you feel satisfied with the fickle opinion from the museum "expert" who first said that it is a replica and then a genuine antique piece? Is he a specialist of the antique Buddha/ Hindu period in Indonesia and did he give you some valid reasons for changing his mind in this way? Are wayang motifs on a blade made during archaic Buddha period realistic?

If I were in your place I would not give too much confidence in his assessment.
Regards

18th May 2013, 04:35 PM	#1
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Java or Out side Java Blade/Hilt-all comments welcome. Just found this keris. Blade length 20cm, blade width (at he largest point): 6 cm The blade is very thin from base to end. Appreciate your comments, tq..Mykeris Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 18th May 2013 at 05:22 PM.

18th May 2013, 05:28 PM	#3
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	thanks Jean, when oiled, i could see some wayang figural forms on the blade. Theres more different figural forms on the other side of the blade. These forms cannot be seen without oiling it. .very thin blade. unfortunately I couldnt snap it, I am running out of battery. yes, I think its Javanese keris. Attached Images Last edited by mykeris; 18th May 2013 at 05:46 PM.

23rd May 2013, 06:06 PM	#15
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Mykeris, Hum, do you feel satisfied with the fickle opinion from the museum "expert" who first said that it is a replica and then a genuine antique piece? Is he a specialist of the antique Buddha/ Hindu period in Indonesia and did he give you some valid reasons for changing his mind in this way? Are wayang motifs on a blade made during archaic Buddha period realistic? If I were in your place I would not give too much confidence in his assessment. Regards Last edited by Jean; 24th May 2013 at 08:45 AM.

18th May 2013, 04:43 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Mykeris, The wooden hilt is in "Ganesha" style from Tegal (Java North Coast) and the blade could be either a real antiquity or a smart fake, I frankly don't know, but I hope that the price per gram was less than for gold Regards

18th May 2013, 05:46 PM	#4
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Many Hindu forms on the other side of the blade.

18th May 2013, 08:26 PM	#5
Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Imo the hilt "could" have some age... but the blade seems a nightmare (of course in my opinion)

19th May 2013, 01:14 PM	#6
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	this keris will be sent to the Malaysian Museum for further authentication and research as requested by one of its officials. The blade shows very strong hindu influence, hopefully its genuine.

21st May 2013, 08:01 AM	#8
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Sorry, the museum says..a newly made keris but interesting motifs.

21st May 2013, 08:56 AM	#9
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hi Mykeris, Thank you for sharing the bad news with us and a good lesson for all the collectors! Regards

23rd May 2013, 12:58 AM	#10
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Hi Jean, Just got this verbal news from the museum, they retracted their earlier comments. After undergone several tests, the blade is of extra-ordinary archaic buda forms with wayang motifs. Blade thickness is considered unordinary-very thin through out perhaps one of its kind in this form. The hilt is new and mendak comes from the 1800s era. rgrds,

23rd May 2013, 05:02 AM	#11
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,888	Very interesting. Do you know what tests were done, and how? The qualifications of the testers? Or are we just looking at an opinion? Thank you.

23rd May 2013, 05:44 AM	#12
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Thanks Alan. I would not question museum's standard. tq it is a Full Stop.

23rd May 2013, 07:39 AM	#13
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,888	Thank you for your enlightening response.

23rd May 2013, 09:38 AM	#14
mykeris Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 278	Kind regards,Mykeris.