Fully Loaded Binangon

Spunjer · 3rd November 2012, 02:46 PM

so the wife pried me off the couch to go to this antique mall we visit when we're bored. well, she got her some old ceramic jugs.
i found this pretty complete, turn of the century binangon. if this was a honda accord, it would be the top of the line E-X model. scabbard has the shell cover and an unusual locking system in which the disc guard would actually click to this gizmo at the throat. it's made out of carabao horn, similar to the disc guard. the leather throat is gaudily decorated with miniature mirrors, and a red velvet fabric (which have both faded with time). also unusual is the built-on belt that has a coconut button.
the disc guard is beautifully carved.

Spunjer · 3rd November 2012, 02:48 PM

additional photos

Atlantia · 3rd November 2012, 03:10 PM

Well! That one certainly ticks all the right boxes!
A beautiful example, congratulations indeed!!!
Love the way the guard slots into the mouth of the scabbard.

Robert · 3rd November 2012, 04:38 PM

WOW

Now that is nice. It certainly does have all the bells and whistles. Makes me want to get out and cruise through whats left of the antique shops around here. Congratulations on this great find.

Regards,
Robert

David · 3rd November 2012, 04:47 PM

Sweet!

Battara · 3rd November 2012, 05:58 PM

What a great piece! Congrats Ron!

I have seen these scabbard mouths before on lowlander pieces. This one is complete and well carved. Very nice indeed!

Gavin Nugent · 3rd November 2012, 10:55 PM

Interesting motifs on the sheath, Chinese influenced lucky coins.
The little flowers to the top, similar are also seen within the old French Indo China borders....

Gav

Ferguson · 3rd November 2012, 11:01 PM

Simply stunning!
Steve

Sajen · 4th November 2012, 10:43 AM

Hello Ron,

congrats for this purchase!

A very nice and complete binangon. The sheath is very similar to my tenegre sheath what give you a estimated age of yours. The flower is a catmoon flower. My scabbard has as well this pieces of mirrow and and a very similar design, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11550.

When you ever get bored by this beauty....

Regards,

Detlef

Gavin Nugent · 4th November 2012, 11:07 AM

Please share more information on this flower you mention Sajen, does it go by any other name?

Thanks

Gavin

Sajen · 4th November 2012, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freebooter

Please share more information on this flower you mention Sajen, does it go by any other name?

Thanks

Gavin

Hello Gavin,

I have this information from Nacho given to me/us in the the thread I posted in up in post # 12. I don't have more informations, sorry.

Regards,

Detlef

Gavin Nugent · 4th November 2012, 12:04 PM

Thanks Detlef,

Interesting also to see that the inner part of the lucky coin motif would sit within the geometric design of the "Catmoon" flower arrangement.

Gavin

Battara · 4th November 2012, 03:57 PM

I forget, is it the blade form that makes this a binangon?

On another note, this is a common motif on this island - seen it on upland Panay pieces as well (pieces with long noses).

Sajen · 4th November 2012, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

I forget, is it the blade form that makes this a binangon?

On another note, this is a common motif on this island - seen it on upland Panay pieces as well (pieces with long noses).

Hi Jose,

I am as well every time confused by this both terms. But when I understand correct is the sword from Ron a tenegre and my one a binangon, see the thread I have given. It isn't the blade form but the handle form what makes a binangon or tenegre. See post #20 & #24 in the thread I have given.

For the second question: I simple don't know.

Maybe Nacho or someone other is able to give us an answer.

Regards,

Detlef

Spunjer · 4th November 2012, 06:31 PM

freebooter, the flower motif has always been integral to the ilonggo arts. besides weapons, these particular motif can be seen on textiles and architecture. if you notice on the majority of ilonggo weapons, the deity hilt has a flower cap. Nacho has postulated that these represented the Katmon flower (dillenia philippinensis). i have heard that the four petal supposed to represent the main cardinal points.
as far as what it's called we (as ilonggo) would call this a binangon, whether the blade profile is that of what sajen's have, or the one that i have. bangkaya has eloquently explained that in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16115.
IMHO, this is what i would consider more of a tenegre:

Sajen · 4th November 2012, 06:56 PM

So at best we call both sanduko!

Spunjer · 6th November 2012, 02:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sajen

So at best we call both sanduko!

if you were FROM Capiz or Aklan, then yes, it would be referred to as sanduko.

VVV · 6th November 2012, 06:08 AM

What a beauty, congratulations!!!

Michael

carlos · 6th November 2012, 08:07 AM

This is a really beatiful sword ¡

congratulations with this adquisition
best regards

carlos

CharlesS · 6th November 2012, 07:22 PM

Very nice...and great to know there are still treasures out there in the least likely places!

Bangkaya · 20th November 2012, 10:13 AM

Nice score on the binangon, Spunjer! I'll call it a tinegre since it has the figural anito head. Either way it's Ilonggo so I wouldn't call it a sanduko.

As for the floral motif found on swords on the island of Panay, the katmon flower figures highly as a cultural and mythical motif especially among the Suluds of the highlands. It's a very common motif embroidered among their blouses. As Spunjer noted, it is representative of the 4 cardinal points. However, the pre-Spanish belief was that the flower was an offering to Bakunawa to prevent his wrath upon the people which usually was floods, typhoons, etc. Moreover, Bakunawa was blamed for eclipses....as explained in this Amaya episode.

HTML Code:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD656KPnrv8

One example of the katmon flower being used as an offering is that it is placed in the first hole dug for the mainframe posts of a house. Depending on the time of the year the structure is made determines the direction in which Bakunawa is resting and holes are then dug in a certain direction and order accordingly. This offering and the correct procedure in constructing a house or building prevents Bakunawa's wrath and helps protect it from typhoons, floods, earthquakes, etc.

Regards,
Bangkaya

Spunjer · 13th January 2013, 05:26 PM

You know, growing up in Iloilo and spending the summers in my grandma's farm in Ajuy, I have never heard anyone used the term tinegre, even from the old timers. It's always binangon. It was when i started collecting when i heard the term tinegre for the first time.

Now my old man, he's no collector, intimated to me that the term tinegre are those that were used by the bandits, whatever they may be. It connotes bad juju. That, and plaminkos.

3rd November 2012, 02:46 PM	#1
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	Fully Loaded Binangon so the wife pried me off the couch to go to this antique mall we visit when we're bored. well, she got her some old ceramic jugs. i found this pretty complete, turn of the century binangon. if this was a honda accord, it would be the top of the line E-X model. scabbard has the shell cover and an unusual locking system in which the disc guard would actually click to this gizmo at the throat. it's made out of carabao horn, similar to the disc guard. the leather throat is gaudily decorated with miniature mirrors, and a red velvet fabric (which have both faded with time). also unusual is the built-on belt that has a coconut button. the disc guard is beautifully carved. Attached Images

4th November 2012, 10:43 AM	#9
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	Hello Ron, congrats for this purchase! A very nice and complete binangon. The sheath is very similar to my tenegre sheath what give you a estimated age of yours. The flower is a catmoon flower. My scabbard has as well this pieces of mirrow and and a very similar design, look here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=11550. When you ever get bored by this beauty.... Regards, Detlef Attached Images

4th November 2012, 11:07 AM	#10
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	flower Please share more information on this flower you mention Sajen, does it go by any other name? Thanks Gavin

4th November 2012, 06:31 PM	#15
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	freebooter, the flower motif has always been integral to the ilonggo arts. besides weapons, these particular motif can be seen on textiles and architecture. if you notice on the majority of ilonggo weapons, the deity hilt has a flower cap. Nacho has postulated that these represented the Katmon flower (dillenia philippinensis). i have heard that the four petal supposed to represent the main cardinal points. as far as what it's called we (as ilonggo) would call this a binangon, whether the blade profile is that of what sajen's have, or the one that i have. bangkaya has eloquently explained that in this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16115. IMHO, this is what i would consider more of a tenegre: Attached Images

20th November 2012, 10:13 AM	#21
Bangkaya Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 38	Nice score on the binangon, Spunjer! I'll call it a tinegre since it has the figural anito head. Either way it's Ilonggo so I wouldn't call it a sanduko. As for the floral motif found on swords on the island of Panay, the katmon flower figures highly as a cultural and mythical motif especially among the Suluds of the highlands. It's a very common motif embroidered among their blouses. As Spunjer noted, it is representative of the 4 cardinal points. However, the pre-Spanish belief was that the flower was an offering to Bakunawa to prevent his wrath upon the people which usually was floods, typhoons, etc. Moreover, Bakunawa was blamed for eclipses....as explained in this Amaya episode. HTML Code: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vD656KPnrv8 One example of the katmon flower being used as an offering is that it is placed in the first hole dug for the mainframe posts of a house. Depending on the time of the year the structure is made determines the direction in which Bakunawa is resting and holes are then dug in a certain direction and order accordingly. This offering and the correct procedure in constructing a house or building prevents Bakunawa's wrath and helps protect it from typhoons, floods, earthquakes, etc. Regards, Bangkaya

3rd November 2012, 02:48 PM	#2
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	additional photos Attached Images

3rd November 2012, 03:10 PM	#3
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Well! That one certainly ticks all the right boxes! A beautiful example, congratulations indeed!!! Love the way the guard slots into the mouth of the scabbard.

3rd November 2012, 04:38 PM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	WOW Now that is nice. It certainly does have all the bells and whistles. Makes me want to get out and cruise through whats left of the antique shops around here. Congratulations on this great find. Regards, Robert

3rd November 2012, 04:47 PM	#5
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,119	Sweet!

3rd November 2012, 05:58 PM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	What a great piece! Congrats Ron! I have seen these scabbard mouths before on lowlander pieces. This one is complete and well carved. Very nice indeed!

3rd November 2012, 10:55 PM	#7
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Interesting motifs on the sheath, Chinese influenced lucky coins. The little flowers to the top, similar are also seen within the old French Indo China borders.... Gav

3rd November 2012, 11:01 PM	#8
Ferguson Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Kernersville, NC, USA Posts: 793	Simply stunning! Steve

4th November 2012, 12:04 PM	#12
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	Thanks Detlef, Interesting also to see that the inner part of the lucky coin motif would sit within the geometric design of the "Catmoon" flower arrangement. Gavin

4th November 2012, 03:57 PM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	I forget, is it the blade form that makes this a binangon? On another note, this is a common motif on this island - seen it on upland Panay pieces as well (pieces with long noses).

4th November 2012, 06:56 PM	#16
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,769	So at best we call both sanduko!

6th November 2012, 06:08 AM	#18
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	What a beauty, congratulations!!! Michael

6th November 2012, 08:07 AM	#19
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 737	This is a really beatiful sword ¡ congratulations with this adquisition best regards carlos

6th November 2012, 07:22 PM	#20
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,857	Very nice...and great to know there are still treasures out there in the least likely places!

13th January 2013, 05:26 PM	#22
Spunjer Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Witness Protection Program Posts: 1,730	You know, growing up in Iloilo and spending the summers in my grandma's farm in Ajuy, I have never heard anyone used the term tinegre, even from the old timers. It's always binangon. It was when i started collecting when i heard the term tinegre for the first time. Now my old man, he's no collector, intimated to me that the term tinegre are those that were used by the bandits, whatever they may be. It connotes bad juju. That, and plaminkos.