Cannon flintlocks, English vs. Russian

cannonmn · 16th April 2012, 09:53 AM

Here are two cannon flintlocks, the top one English and bottom one Russian. English made by Sherwood, Russian by Tula Arsenal. These locks were obviously made to the same pattern, so I suspect Russia bought a license on what was an English design.

The ruler is marked in inches.

I would like to know the meaning of the longer Russian word tbat is marked on the Russian lock. I would also like to know the meaning of the stylized "T" which appears above the name "Sherwood" on the English lock. Thanks for helping.

RDGAC · 16th April 2012, 11:35 AM

Well, unless my Russian totally deserts me, the longer Russian word is a name - assuming it's not worn too badly, I'd say it read "G. Malikov". Either the guy who made the lock, or possibly the one who inspected it, seem likely candidates.

On the British lock, I'd conjecture it's a government inspection mark. I'd suggest slinging this onto the British Militaria Forums (http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/directory) as well as here; the more the merrier, as they say.

cannonmn · 16th April 2012, 03:07 PM

Thanks for the info. Will of course post anything else I find on these items. Sherwood seems to have made many locks of various kinds as I've seen that name on various designs of English cannon flintlocks.

Matchlock · 16th April 2012, 04:46 PM

Hi John,

I found some similar.

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=cannon...9,r:4,s:0,i:76

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=cannon...9,r:2,s:0,i:72

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=cannon...r:3,s:70,i:235

From top:

British, ca. 1790

French, Charlevillle, ca. 1790

British or American, late 18th c.

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=naval+...9&tx=134&ty=43

http://www.google.de/imgres?q=naval+...:10,s:46,i:195

Best,
Michael

cannonmn · 16th April 2012, 06:59 PM

Michael, thanks. The first link in post no. 4, I now believe to be a reproduction made in India recently. The third link, to a militaria dealer's site, shows a lock with extensive markings I've never seen on any other lock. Since it physically resembles the reproduction shown in the first link, down to the detail of the omitted flash-hole in the flashpan, it is at least "suspect." When I became aware the lock I had (shown in first link reply no. 4) was a repro I tried to find that posting and could not, thanks for doing it for me. Now to "fix" it!

Matchlock · 16th April 2012, 07:01 PM

That's interesting indeed, John, thank you!

m

Matchlock · 18th April 2012, 09:48 PM

One of the latest cannon flintlocks ever made, dated 1846, sold at Bonhams today.

m

16th April 2012, 09:53 AM	#1
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Cannon flintlocks, English vs. Russian Here are two cannon flintlocks, the top one English and bottom one Russian. English made by Sherwood, Russian by Tula Arsenal. These locks were obviously made to the same pattern, so I suspect Russia bought a license on what was an English design. The ruler is marked in inches. I would like to know the meaning of the longer Russian word tbat is marked on the Russian lock. I would also like to know the meaning of the stylized "T" which appears above the name "Sherwood" on the English lock. Thanks for helping.

16th April 2012, 04:46 PM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi John, I found some similar. http://www.google.de/imgres?q=cannon...9,r:4,s:0,i:76 http://www.google.de/imgres?q=cannon...9,r:2,s:0,i:72 http://www.google.de/imgres?q=cannon...r:3,s:70,i:235 From top: British, ca. 1790 French, Charlevillle, ca. 1790 British or American, late 18th c. http://www.google.de/imgres?q=naval+...9&tx=134&ty=43 http://www.google.de/imgres?q=naval+...:10,s:46,i:195 Best, Michael Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 16th April 2012 at 05:11 PM.

18th April 2012, 09:48 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	One of the latest cannon flintlocks ever made, dated 1846, sold at Bonhams today. m Attached Images

16th April 2012, 11:35 AM	#2
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	Well, unless my Russian totally deserts me, the longer Russian word is a name - assuming it's not worn too badly, I'd say it read "G. Malikov". Either the guy who made the lock, or possibly the one who inspected it, seem likely candidates. On the British lock, I'd conjecture it's a government inspection mark. I'd suggest slinging this onto the British Militaria Forums (http://britishmilitariaforums.yuku.com/directory) as well as here; the more the merrier, as they say.

16th April 2012, 03:07 PM	#3
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Thanks for the info. Will of course post anything else I find on these items. Sherwood seems to have made many locks of various kinds as I've seen that name on various designs of English cannon flintlocks.

16th April 2012, 06:59 PM	#5
cannonmn Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 161	Michael, thanks. The first link in post no. 4, I now believe to be a reproduction made in India recently. The third link, to a militaria dealer's site, shows a lock with extensive markings I've never seen on any other lock. Since it physically resembles the reproduction shown in the first link, down to the detail of the omitted flash-hole in the flashpan, it is at least "suspect." When I became aware the lock I had (shown in first link reply no. 4) was a repro I tried to find that posting and could not, thanks for doing it for me. Now to "fix" it!

16th April 2012, 07:01 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	That's interesting indeed, John, thank you! m