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who could tell me more about this 2 swords I just bought from auction.
Any comment will be welcome. CERJAK |
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THE SECOND ONE
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These are Dha AFAIK, but i will let the Dha enthusiasts on these boards give you details on them. They look like nice ones to my under educated eyes.
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Yes, these are dhas and both are of very good quality
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Subject to confirmation from others, I believe the first one is Thai. The second one is Yunnan I think.
Both nice pieces. Regards Stu (ex dha fanatic) ![]() |
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Calling Mark B!!!
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I never get tired of seeing these! Thanks for sharing, Cerjak!
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Or Andrew W???
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These are nice. Agree, Thai and Yunnan. I think the Thai sword has some good age too.
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Am I looking at three different metals in the hilt, or different washes of the same metal?
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I would agree the 2nd one's origin could easily point to Yunnan, but I think it's better to be more broad. Based on it's obvious Chinese motifs, it could easily be from a Tai group found in Burma, Siam, or Laos along the Chinese border, where language, culture and clothing, etc is heavily Chinese influenced.
It's interesting to see the star shape on the side of the mouth of the scabbard...it almost looks like a "star of Anise" Last edited by Nathaniel; 28th February 2012 at 03:50 AM. |
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Second one is Northern Thai/Southern Yunnan, China. I have a very similar example in my collection, which can be seen here (#252): http://www.arscives.com/historysteel....swordlist.htm Both look like early-mid 20th century but, again, photos aren't great. ![]() |
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A friend has gently pointed out to me off-list that I have made an error.
Here is what he sent me, and I agree--I was hasty in my analysis of that first sword. Quote:
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Hello Cerjak,
two very nice swords, congrats. ![]() ![]() Regards, Detlef |
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Great awords, thanks for posting. I am a new member (But been reading here for some time) and a military knife collector who has developed a serieus interest in these Dha's and learning more with every post i read. Hopefully i have just aquired my first proper Dha.....will know tomorrow and will post pictures when i receive it from Thailand and kindlly ask for more info on the forum. Lot to read, lot to learn!
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Cerjak:
I'm just coming to this thread after traveling in Australia the last three weeks. Two very nice Northern Thai/Yunnan daab. Of the two, the first is by far the more interesting and older. As noted in Andrew's second post, it is from the early Rattanakosin period with features harking back to an earlier Ayutthaya style. These are uncommon swords to find and as a result can be fairly pricey. The habaki-like feature is interesting and again uncommon to find on Thai daab. It likely reflects a minor Japanese presence in Thailand in the 18th and 19th C, with copying of katana elements into the local daab style. The influence of Japanese sword making can also be seen in higher quality pieces made in the 19th C--many of the "royal" daab made in the 19th C and found in Thai museums seem to have Japanese elements in their blade style and hilts. The second one is of somewhat later manufacture, and daab are still being made in this style. I think it is most likely of Husa manufacture (from southern Yunnan adjacent to the Shan States of Myanmar). The Husa are identified with the Shan who are the major ethnic group in that area. Your second example is found among the Shan and Kachin peoples living in Myanmar (Burma), as well as those of Tai/Shan origin in northern Thailand. BTW, the sheath associated with your first example is a cheaply made 20th C example that does not befit this sword. I would not display such a fine sword with that sheath--a poor marriage IMO. Regards, Ian. |
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Hi Ian
Thank you for your comment I agree that it is a poor qualitity and later scabbard , so only good to protect the blade and nothing else ! Best Cerjak |
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