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mahratt · 21st February 2012, 12:10 PM

The colleague from Russian forum asks about the help. Need someone's support in translating the words. Afghan saber:

Rick · 21st February 2012, 03:43 PM

Mahratt, in the future please upload pictures directly to the site .
Links disappear after time and the knowlege is then lost .

Thank you

mahratt · 22nd February 2012, 07:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick

Mahratt, in the future please upload pictures directly to the site .
Links disappear after time and the knowlege is then lost .

Thank you

Ок.

Norman McCormick · 22nd February 2012, 05:44 PM

Hi,
I'll give this a go. I think the numbers are Persian or similar. This one is 1532.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick · 22nd February 2012, 05:47 PM

Hi,
The top one is 1334 and the bottom one is 1402.
Regards,
Norman.

Norman McCormick · 22nd February 2012, 05:52 PM

Hi,
The only number that makes any sense as a date is 1334 which is equivalent to 1916 Western, the others are probably inspection/armoury no's or similar. I'm sorry I cannot help you with the script.
Regards,
Norman.

Dom · 23rd February 2012, 12:27 AM

Hi everybody
Norman translated perfectly all dates, as they are in Persian form
easy to deduce that the "cartouche" are in the same language ... farsi (فارسی)
because, Iran and Afghanistan share the same language

there is a translator for the "farsi" ... in the room ??

à +

Dom

ps/ I translated the word just under the date 1334
SANA (سانا)either YEAR

mahratt · 23rd February 2012, 09:35 PM

No one knows?

AJ1356 · 24th February 2012, 04:25 PM

get a better picture of the second picture from the top and I'll translate the whole thing for you.

mahratt · 24th February 2012, 06:48 PM

Unfortunately the image is only as such ((((

Dom · 24th February 2012, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mahratt

Unfortunately the image is only as such ((((

not very convinced by the result,
but I cannot do better

à +

Dom

AJ1356 · 25th February 2012, 02:17 PM

ok, let's start from dates and then go to the rest. The inscriptions have some inconsistancies to me, I might be wrong. First, فی سنة هجری ۱۳۳۶ in the bottom the number ۱۴۰۲. To me 1402 could be just a number( maybe serial number), it can not be the year of manufature(that would make the age 31 years and that just can't be), why it is there who knows, the year 1336 now it is 1390 that is 54 years ago. Then there is another number ۱۵۳۲ 1532 that is a serial number engraved after manufacturing. Now here comes the inconsistancy, the main text reads, حبیب الفرمان اعلیحضرت سراج الملة و الدین that is the text from swords made during the time of King Habibullah (seraaj ul melat e waddin) but the dates indicate that it is made during the time of King Mohammad Zahir, it is possible that he called himself the same (seraaj ul melat e waddin) but highly unlikely, they never copied someother kings title, to my knowledge. hope it helps.

Dom · 25th February 2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by AJ1356

ok, let's start from dates

avoid headache

they are no dateS ??? just a single ... one

and easy to know where it is ... it's mentioned down below, by the word SANA either YEAR
the others numeral data, haven't that indication, so, could be; armory's inventory, serial's number, etc. ...

à +

Dom

mahratt · 28th February 2012, 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dom

avoid headache

they are no dateS ??? just a single ... one

and easy to know where it is ... it's mentioned down below, by the word SANA either YEAR
the others numeral data, haven't that indication, so, could be; armory's inventory, serial's number, etc. ...

à +

Dom

Thank You!

AJ1356 · 2nd March 2012, 05:14 PM

Some new info for you. The sword is roughly 96 years old, it was made during the time of Amir Habibullah, they used the lunar years back then, so the 1336 is not hijri solar as I mentioned before but hijri lunar.

21st February 2012, 12:10 PM	#1
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Translations The colleague from Russian forum asks about the help. Need someone's support in translating the words. Afghan saber: Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 21st February 2012 at 03:41 PM.

22nd February 2012, 05:44 PM	#4
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi, I'll give this a go. I think the numbers are Persian or similar. This one is 1532. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

22nd February 2012, 05:47 PM	#5
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi, The top one is 1334 and the bottom one is 1402. Regards, Norman. Attached Images

25th February 2012, 02:17 PM	#12
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	ok, let's start from dates and then go to the rest. The inscriptions have some inconsistancies to me, I might be wrong. First, فی سنة هجری ۱۳۳۶ in the bottom the number ۱۴۰۲. To me 1402 could be just a number( maybe serial number), it can not be the year of manufature(that would make the age 31 years and that just can't be), why it is there who knows, the year 1336 now it is 1390 that is 54 years ago. Then there is another number ۱۵۳۲ 1532 that is a serial number engraved after manufacturing. Now here comes the inconsistancy, the main text reads, حبیب الفرمان اعلیحضرت سراج الملة و الدین that is the text from swords made during the time of King Habibullah (seraaj ul melat e waddin) but the dates indicate that it is made during the time of King Mohammad Zahir, it is possible that he called himself the same (seraaj ul melat e waddin) but highly unlikely, they never copied someother kings title, to my knowledge. hope it helps. Last edited by AJ1356; 25th February 2012 at 02:33 PM.

21st February 2012, 03:43 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,290	Mahratt, in the future please upload pictures directly to the site . Links disappear after time and the knowlege is then lost . Thank you

22nd February 2012, 05:52 PM	#6
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,596	Hi, The only number that makes any sense as a date is 1334 which is equivalent to 1916 Western, the others are probably inspection/armoury no's or similar. I'm sorry I cannot help you with the script. Regards, Norman.

23rd February 2012, 12:27 AM	#7
Dom Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Paris (FR*) Cairo (EG) Posts: 1,142	Hi everybody Norman translated perfectly all dates, as they are in Persian form easy to deduce that the "cartouche" are in the same language ... farsi (فارسی) because, Iran and Afghanistan share the same language there is a translator for the "farsi" ... in the room ?? à + Dom ps/ I translated the word just under the date 1334 SANA (سانا)either YEAR

23rd February 2012, 09:35 PM	#8
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	No one knows?

24th February 2012, 04:25 PM	#9
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	get a better picture of the second picture from the top and I'll translate the whole thing for you.

24th February 2012, 06:48 PM	#10
mahratt Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Russia Posts: 1,042	Unfortunately the image is only as such ((((

2nd March 2012, 05:14 PM	#15
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 314	Some new info for you. The sword is roughly 96 years old, it was made during the time of Amir Habibullah, they used the lunar years back then, so the 1336 is not hijri solar as I mentioned before but hijri lunar.