Afghan Kamar Accessory What is It?

archer · 8th June 2011, 04:19 AM

I got fortunate last night, no, not that kinda lucky, but, I did end up finally with a Kamar belt. The seller thought that it was North African. What is this called and how is it used? (Center w/ arrow) Thanks, Steve

Battara · 8th June 2011, 05:30 AM

Interesting - like to see close ups of the knife and out of the sheath.

archer · 8th June 2011, 07:52 AM

I don't have it yet maybe next week. It's in the mail. Is it a knife in a sheath ?
There appears to be a stylized bird on top? Time will tell i guess. This seems to be similar but no explanation also from Tiri Fig 119. The bird like thing may be a striker for lighting fires.

mrwizard · 8th June 2011, 06:07 PM

Hello,

I have no idea what it is but there was a very similar item under discussion not long ago:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13503

Best Regards,
Thilo

archer · 9th June 2011, 12:43 AM

Thanks, Thilo . Someone on the forum had a couple of these belts and tons of accessories for them and Jezails. The link you gave us sure looks like the same item, too bad no one was sure what it is.

DaveS · 9th June 2011, 05:09 AM

I have had one of these belts for years and i have asked numerous
experts over time whose opinions i value, and not one has even a clue as
to what this could be. when i first got the belt i thought it was a knife in
it's scabbard. Naturally i tried to pull it out, but of course nothing happened.
I hope someone on the forum can figure it out........Dave.

archer · 10th June 2011, 11:30 PM

The belt came in today, the device we thought might be a knife is horn encased in brass??? There's an emblem or belt buckle with two metal items that maybe
flint fire strikers, they're tiny 2 1/2 inches long. Are they strikers?

Finally another mystery item, Seller said it was a game bird holder, don't think so. It's all horn with a horn spring devise to self close a small spout. horn is hollow.
What did it dispense? If that's the function. Help, more pictures soon after a dusty.

dennee · 10th June 2011, 11:54 PM

It's a primer horn.

archer · 11th June 2011, 06:17 AM

Thank you, Dennee Unlike priming flasks, covering the end with a finger would
allow for a measured charge. One mystery to go. In the past month I got rid of a knapping tool and priming flask, they would definitely feel at home on one of the remaining chains. Such is life.

archer · 26th June 2011, 01:16 AM

This yet identified tool remains a puzzle. Could it have been used to carry
lit matchlock matches in combat? One side is perhaps tarnished by heat. It is mainly made up of horn, so wouldn't have a use as say a wrench. Does anyone know or maybe read how lit matches were carried into battle?

RDGAC · 26th June 2011, 01:36 AM

I wonder - could it be intended to hold the end of a lit slow-match nearest to the pan (i.e. that used for ignition) during reloading?

8th June 2011, 04:19 AM	#1
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Afghan Kamar Accessory What is It? I got fortunate last night, no, not that kinda lucky, but, I did end up finally with a Kamar belt. The seller thought that it was North African. What is this called and how is it used? (Center w/ arrow) Thanks, Steve Attached Images

8th June 2011, 07:52 AM	#3
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	response I don't have it yet maybe next week. It's in the mail. Is it a knife in a sheath ? There appears to be a stylized bird on top? Time will tell i guess. This seems to be similar but no explanation also from Tiri Fig 119. The bird like thing may be a striker for lighting fires. Attached Images Last edited by archer; 8th June 2011 at 08:07 AM.

9th June 2011, 12:43 AM	#5
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Interesting link / Wheres Ward? He has a ton of Jezails Thanks, Thilo . Someone on the forum had a couple of these belts and tons of accessories for them and Jezails. The link you gave us sure looks like the same item, too bad no one was sure what it is.

10th June 2011, 11:30 PM	#7
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	More show & question The belt came in today, the device we thought might be a knife is horn encased in brass??? There's an emblem or belt buckle with two metal items that maybe flint fire strikers, they're tiny 2 1/2 inches long. Are they strikers? Finally another mystery item, Seller said it was a game bird holder, don't think so. It's all horn with a horn spring devise to self close a small spout. horn is hollow. What did it dispense? If that's the function. Help, more pictures soon after a dusty. Attached Images

11th June 2011, 06:17 AM	#9
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Horn Thank you, Dennee Unlike priming flasks, covering the end with a finger would allow for a measured charge. One mystery to go. In the past month I got rid of a knapping tool and priming flask, they would definitely feel at home on one of the remaining chains. Such is life. Attached Images

8th June 2011, 05:30 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,219	Interesting - like to see close ups of the knife and out of the sheath.

8th June 2011, 06:07 PM	#4
mrwizard Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 102	Hello, I have no idea what it is but there was a very similar item under discussion not long ago: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=13503 Best Regards, Thilo

9th June 2011, 05:09 AM	#6
DaveS Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 327	I have had one of these belts for years and i have asked numerous experts over time whose opinions i value, and not one has even a clue as to what this could be. when i first got the belt i thought it was a knife in it's scabbard. Naturally i tried to pull it out, but of course nothing happened. I hope someone on the forum can figure it out........Dave.

10th June 2011, 11:54 PM	#8
dennee Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: College Park, MD Posts: 186	It's a primer horn.

26th June 2011, 01:16 AM	#10
archer Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 373	Possable use This yet identified tool remains a puzzle. Could it have been used to carry lit matchlock matches in combat? One side is perhaps tarnished by heat. It is mainly made up of horn, so wouldn't have a use as say a wrench. Does anyone know or maybe read how lit matches were carried into battle? Attached Images

26th June 2011, 01:36 AM	#11
RDGAC Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: York, UK Posts: 167	I wonder - could it be intended to hold the end of a lit slow-match nearest to the pan (i.e. that used for ignition) during reloading?