Persian Kard and Sheat?

chregu · 21st February 2011, 10:21 PM

Hi
my latest acquisition! beautiful Kard
Ivory grips Wootz blade
Does anyone know where this type of knife was manufactured?
distinguish the type of fittings is unknown to me, someone they can place geographically? fit sheath and blade from the moderate time together?
welcome to all ideas.
Greetings Chregu

TimW · 21st February 2011, 10:45 PM

that is a nice knife! I once heard a tip from a german dealer: when the back of the blade has a lengthwise 'crack', the blade is likely to be forged in Alwar. The 'fold' is due to the forging of the wootz ingot.

chregu · 21st February 2011, 11:19 PM

The blade is definitely Wootz, no lines on the back of the blade.

Lew · 21st February 2011, 11:41 PM

I agree definitely wootz and a stunning dagger.

Congrats

ALEX · 22nd February 2011, 08:59 AM

Chregu, this is Afghani or Central Asian kard, and possibly Turkmen. The red material is likely later replacement. These usually have longer sheaths which fit the handle almost completely, leaving only 1/3 of it out, so the scabbard's core could be later addition. You may determine the age of wooden sheath core by inspecting the condition of wood. The fittings are old, late 19/early 20 C.

koto · 22nd February 2011, 02:53 PM

Nice Perisan kard with wootz damascus blade.
The blade is (much) older than the sheath in my novice eyes.

chregu · 22nd February 2011, 05:14 PM

wootz

chregu · 23rd February 2011, 06:15 PM

Hi
many thanks for all the answers.
is clear to me, are from which region the knife must. My question is that I have not answered the scabbard fittings are not typical for me central Asia.
Where are they?
Greetings Chregu

ALEX · 24th February 2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by chregu

Hi
... My question is that I have not answered the scabbard fittings are not typical for me central Asia.
Where are they?
Greetings Chregu

Chregu, the fittings on your kard have Afghani look, and are quite typical for Central Asia.
The kards on above picture are Persian (or Indo-Persian). Pay close attention to details, and you'll learn the difference.

chregu · 24th February 2011, 10:49 AM

Hi Alex
I know I've got a lot to learn!
because I knives and daggers from around the world gather, I will probably never be a specialist and am always angewiesen.smile to help.
therefore, many thanks for your help.
gruss Chregu

ariel · 25th February 2011, 05:11 AM

IMHO, the scabbard fittings do not belong here. The drag makes sense only if it was intended to protect the scabbard from being damaged by the contact with the ground. Makes sense on a saber scabbard, but not on a knife one.

21st February 2011, 10:21 PM	#1
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	Persian Kard and Sheat? Hi my latest acquisition! beautiful Kard Ivory grips Wootz blade Does anyone know where this type of knife was manufactured? distinguish the type of fittings is unknown to me, someone they can place geographically? fit sheath and blade from the moderate time together? welcome to all ideas. Greetings Chregu Attached Images

22nd February 2011, 08:59 AM	#5
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	Chregu, this is Afghani or Central Asian kard, and possibly Turkmen. The red material is likely later replacement. These usually have longer sheaths which fit the handle almost completely, leaving only 1/3 of it out, so the scabbard's core could be later addition. You may determine the age of wooden sheath core by inspecting the condition of wood. The fittings are old, late 19/early 20 C. Last edited by ALEX; 22nd February 2011 at 09:10 AM.

22nd February 2011, 05:14 PM	#7
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	wootz Attached Images

23rd February 2011, 06:15 PM	#8
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	Hi many thanks for all the answers. is clear to me, are from which region the knife must. My question is that I have not answered the scabbard fittings are not typical for me central Asia. Where are they? Greetings Chregu Attached Images

21st February 2011, 10:45 PM	#2
TimW Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Posts: 54	that is a nice knife! I once heard a tip from a german dealer: when the back of the blade has a lengthwise 'crack', the blade is likely to be forged in Alwar. The 'fold' is due to the forging of the wootz ingot.

21st February 2011, 11:19 PM	#3
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	The blade is definitely Wootz, no lines on the back of the blade.

21st February 2011, 11:41 PM	#4
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	I agree definitely wootz and a stunning dagger. Congrats

22nd February 2011, 02:53 PM	#6
koto Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 27	Nice Perisan kard with wootz damascus blade. The blade is (much) older than the sheath in my novice eyes.

24th February 2011, 10:49 AM	#10
chregu Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: switzerland Posts: 298	Hi Alex I know I've got a lot to learn! because I knives and daggers from around the world gather, I will probably never be a specialist and am always angewiesen.smile to help. therefore, many thanks for your help. gruss Chregu

25th February 2011, 05:11 AM	#11
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	IMHO, the scabbard fittings do not belong here. The drag makes sense only if it was intended to protect the scabbard from being damaged by the contact with the ground. Makes sense on a saber scabbard, but not on a knife one.