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I recently acquired this Omani Kattara and wish to know what should be thru the hole in the pommel. I have seen many pics of these swords with and without a hole, but never with anything actually in place.
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Stu, congratulations on your latest acquisition. My guess would be that the hole was used to thread a piece of cord through, used to secure the hilt to the hand in a loop and prevent the the sword from being dropped. I am sure there is a proper word for this, I just cannot come up with it right now.
The leather on the hilt looks like a replacement. Regards, Teodor |
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Hi Stu,
These kattara really are intriguing swords, and actually have become more present in the collecting community in about the last decade or so, before that they seem to have been pretty obscure. I agree with Teodor that the most likely explanation would be for a lanyard type wristknot, which would of course be understandable in combat situations. It is also possible that this might have been for addition of some type of decorative or perhaps auspicious festoon. On some Islamic swords there are sometimes a string of beads, usually five, added, though I have seen some of these decorative strands with six. What is important to note is that the Omani's were primary merchants, and affluent and status conscious individuals wore these swords much in the way the janbiyya (termed khanjhar in Oman if I understand correctly) were worn. While this example seems somewhat simple in its present dress, the newer leather is nicely added, it may have had much more decoration before. Many of these swords had silverwork sheathing removed over time. Perhaps this now seemingly austere example might have been more decorative in times before, and the auspicious addition idea in accord. Nice sound example of a sword which carried its influence far and wide in Arab trade sphere, from Zanzibar to caravans across the Sahara, and possibly even influencing swords there. All best regards, Jim |
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A nice Kattara you have there. Often these have a silver cap but here is a photo of a Sultan with a Kattara that evidently has the hole exposed and unused. You would think that if it was standard to have a lanyard the sultan would have one. It is a mystery.
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Thanks also Michael. I also would have thought that the Sultan would have had something in the hole! The plot thickens!! |
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Perfectly logical, but Ive never seen one. They dont use a lanyard. The sword is often thrown up in the air during dancing so...About half the kattara have the hole... the rest not. The curved Saif doesnt normally have a hole... but just to confuse the issue Im looking at a curved Omani sword that does have. I like the idea of hanging a 5 bead thing on it... 5 fingers Fatima construct...Interesting though Ive not seen that either (I will have a closer look!) So why the hole? My view is its for hanging the weapon up on a rack basically on a nail... Looking back at the earlier short job it had a hole in it forward of the Pommel high on the grip for a strap.
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My last missive seems to have vanished so...I agree it is completely logical to surmise that they use the hole for a wriststrap. However they dont. The Omani swordsmen throw the sword high in the air and I think a wrist strap on this weapon would be a hindrance. On single edged curved Omani Sayfs with a big back edge they also have no hole ... I suggest it could be a religious thing as its iron so a hole could be related to evil ...it may be simply to hang them on wall nails. Thats how we all hang them. (but I suspect its the Iron thing)
About 50% of kattara dont have a Pommel holes . I watched 1000 tribal infantry march past on national day all with kattara and not one wrist strap... I like the idea of 5 beads hanging from the hole as that would be religious link to the five fingers of Fatima daughter of Prophet Muhammad(pbuh)... Geometrical figure 5s occur in many traditional items including Omani Jewelery, Oriental Rugs, Khanjar silver designs(some not all) architecture, woodcarving etc etc. 5 represents the constitutional building blocks ...5 cornerstone foundations of the Islamic religion. |
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This is a great question to which all my Omani friends dont know the answer. It puzzles me. First I thought it was a hole to hang it on the wall or some sort of evil drainage hole as its iron.etc etc Then I was told it was only on newer swords not the old ones. That isnt the case since I see old ones on this thread and an old photo clearly showing the hole. I think I need to sit down with an Omani swordsmith and ask that question as it could be that the hole is for some process in the making of the sword or the application of the leather over the wooden hilt so that the sword is steadied by being nailed to the workbench or something. It is weird. Maybe its for a wrist strap after all. Ha ! |
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![]() the Teodor observations are making sense, and I consulted "Islamic Weapons - Maghrib to Moghul" and I find a pic for Omani Kattara swords, one of both has that hole judge by yourself à + Dom |
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How is the pommel secured? The hole would be a nice, simple way to tighten or loosen a screw-on pommel without scratching the hilt with a wrench.
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Excellent! One puzzle solved!
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I was going to venture a guess that Since these pommels are of different sizes as are the holes. Could they simply be a fine tuning of the swords balance?
I just purchased one(Omani?) this evening that has a round brass pommel The seller says hilt has original cloth binding. The scabbard is a basket case. Question is what about the round and brass pommel? Thanks, Steve P.s. Its coming from UK, so it will be awhile. |
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Saw this but not sure that it is in fact Omani. Hilt looks more african to me. Comments from others???????????????
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That's a Manding/Mandingo sword - not a kattara. Personally I'm not convinced there's much of a link between the two types, other than using similar trade blades and local copies. The hilt type is simple enough to occur without influence.
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My original post was probably worded a little stronger than I intended and I meant my point to be a little more open ended. I don't specialize in either kattara or Manding weaponry so I wouldn't feel comfortable trying to seriously argue it either way. But just for the sake of discussion... There is plenty of documentation of Arab traders, settlements even within the larger Sahel cities of Arab merchants so all the pieces are there for it to be Omani influence. My issue is that in these regions literally everyone was using some variant of these trade blades, kaskara, takouba etc. This exact blade style was manufactured heavily in the Hausa states much closer to the Manding areas. The style of hilt on kattara is pretty simple and the Manding swords are a bit different in the pommel terminus, a element which shows up on other Manding weapons with slightly different hilt variations such as this example:http://oriental-arms.com/photos.php?id=2462 I've also personally never seen a wire covered hilt on a Manding sword which I thought was pretty distinctive of Omani katarra (please do correct that assumption if I'm wrong!) I'm not saying there isn't influence, just that personally I'm undecided as the form is simple enough in my opinion to not necessarily need influence to explain it. It is after all just a grip with a somewhat decorative terminal. I have a tendency to wonder if we, generally speaking, aren't too quick to try and connect a lot of forms which could just as easily be explained by local innovation. Of course this is somewhat playing the other side for the sake of argument. :-) Interesting that you mention the point that the style could of transmitted from the mainland to Zanzibar and then Oman - that would be opposite direction I'd expect. The Manding do seem to have picked bits and pieces from all over the places - I've got a takouba that's Manding as well. Either way an interesting topic to be sure. Not wanting to take this thread offtopic I'll PM you with a few questions about the wide blade Omani form as this situation mirrors two takouba types. Best regards, Iain |
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1. Where did the Omani Short Battle Sword originate and when did it arrive on the scene in Oman? 2. From where did the Omani Kattara originate and when? My hypothesis on the first question seems to defy gravity somewhat since I suspect the "Short" is 8th century Omani and unrelated to either Persian or Spanish muslim dynasties(Nasrid). In considering the second question African influence is raising flags all over the answer. Logically OMAN having obtained the big foothold in Zanzibar in 1632 seems like a reasonable timeframe for the influence to begin. Im getting a message but theres some sort of blocker operating on the private mail!!! will try to clear it... By the way excellent reply and I think it is very much ok and on topic ... I hope!! |
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Just want to thank you all for this, your discussion is very educational for people with limited knowledge such as myself so please do keep it up!
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To make a few points about influence from Africa. 1. The only similar hilt form I know of would be the Mandingo form. 2. The likelihood of that particular form making it from Mali to Zanzibar seems slim to me and raises the question of why that form and not the takouba, not the kaskara or other more regional influences. The main trading centers around 1630s should have been Hausa states, Kano, Katsina, Gobir, Zaria, Rano, Biram (Daura is off this list as it's a later settlement) and the Songhai empire (the weaponry of which we know relatively little about as with most of these areas that long ago). My understanding is that concentrations of Arab traders working the routes to Zanzibar and eventually Oman would be more likely to be active in the Hausa areas, who in turn handled the inner leg of trade from the more Western states. 3. The flood of German trade blades seems to me, to have had little influence on sword design per say, the blades were simply put into existing styles of hilts. 4. I know of no way to be truly sure of the age of most hilt mountings in Sahel cultures in a pre-Colonial context, there is no period artwork to go on as we have in European society and the frequency of remounting as witnessed in Tuareg society (for example) is not encouraging when it comes to connecting an old blade an assuming an old mount. Just some thoughts... Best, Iain |
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