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20th March 2014, 03:57 PM
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Not the first time this guy was robbed
A recent news article described the theft of "medieval armor and a stuffed snow leopard". European armor is outside my specialty, but I can say with 100% certainty that it is not medieval. I also have a strong feeling that the leopard is not a snow leopard (say 90%), and if it is, having a recently stuffed one, as this appears to be, is much more of a crime than the robbery
 I hope this comes out in the trial. The web is talking about the stupidity of teenagers, but I see some world class adult stupidity compounded by every reporter who unquestioningly passes on the story without mentioning fraud and a possible violation of the endangered species act. http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/14...-in-at-mansion |
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20th March 2014, 04:25 PM
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Hi Josh,
My first thought was: Whoever expects such a newly-rich guy   without any profound cultural and/or historical, let alone weaponry-related, background to own a genuine medieval suit of armor must be nuts!   So let those 'thieves' be happy with what they grabbed - it will, in all probability, not really do any harm to either history or weaponry. Best, Michael |
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20th March 2014, 04:36 PM
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The " armour " ( two great helmets and a shield ) shown in the article picture appears to be recently made from one of several Spanish manufactures for display purposes only. Unless there's something not being shown in the photo, the " medieval armour " accounts for about $300 from any one of a hundred ebay resellers.
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20th March 2014, 05:27 PM
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Thanks for confirming my assumption, so much for that.  m |
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20th March 2014, 09:00 PM
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The snow leopard was probably faked as well. Perhaps a plush pink panther toy!-
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20th March 2014, 09:08 PM
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20th March 2014, 09:18 PM
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Oh yeah, it's a cruel scandal how mankind extirpates other species, often before they were even given the chance to get 'detected' by representatives of the very same self-proclaimed so-called 'summit of creation' ..
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24th March 2014, 05:18 PM
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On the topic of antiques, fakes and theft, I am trying to figure out the chain of crime and who is at fault for what parts. If the buyer paid thousands and was robbed of something with a replacement cost of hundreds and a resale value of next to nothing, is it grand larceny? What if buying and selling the thing is illegal on its own, such as some artifacts, or endangered animals? If I buy $250000 of fake heroin, and someone steals it from me thinking it is $100 of caffein, but it is really sugar, who committed what crime? I know this is philosophical, but these things come up in the antique collecting community.
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24th March 2014, 05:50 PM
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And may I add: these questions come up quite rightly!
It's exactly this kind of straight and analytical thinking that stirs up a society gone replete and complacent. Who is who in this world full of intertwined coherences, and who is responsible for exactly what? Too philosophical for a forum about old weapons? No, this is in the right place absolutely. Best, Michael |
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