keris for charing

semar · 27th December 2012, 02:54 PM

i fount this keris to day in a shop
I replace to old mendak for this silver one the old one

regards semar

Jean · 27th December 2012, 03:46 PM

Hello Semar,
What do you find special in this kris? There is no clear slorok on the edges and there is some visible pamor inside the pejetan cavity so no steel core?
Regards

semar · 27th December 2012, 05:22 PM

hallo Jean

i like this one i can not explane for me its a nice keris
and about the pamor i think this keris have pamor
ore how you like to call it ?????

regarts semar

Jean · 27th December 2012, 09:16 PM

Hello Semar,
Of course this blade has pamor but sorry I am unable to identify which style.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 27th December 2012, 09:57 PM

Jean, I feel that close examination would show that this keris does have a core, but it is not a keris with any quality, the forging has been carelessly handled , and although I feel it might have been produced in the greater Surakarta area it is the work of a smith, rather than a pandai keris. A random pamor like this would be called "wos wutah" by most people; others would give it as kulit semangko, others would give it as real or improvised variation of wos wutah.

The dress I find quite pleasing; possibly the complete keris dates from early 20th century.

Sajen · 27th December 2012, 11:32 PM

Important is that Semar like the keris and frankly said, I have seen here much less "fine" keris.

A. G. Maisey · 27th December 2012, 11:56 PM

Yep, no disagreement with that Detlef.

semar · 28th December 2012, 09:30 AM

Thank you Detlef

and aboud the pamor its not a kulit semangka bud what its is ???????
i don`t know ho can explane me what you mean with core ??

regards semar

Jean · 28th December 2012, 10:08 AM

Hello Semar,
Alan would explain it better but a kris blade is normally constructed with a steel core in the inner part of the blade (and thus visible on the cutting edges which need to be hard and strong) and a iron/ pamor mix at the surface of the blade on both sides. The exposed part of the steel core on the edges is called slorok. In the case of your blade, this slorok is not clearly marked and the pamor is visible deep inside the blade (pejetan) which is unusual so this is why I wondered whether it has a steel core or not.

Regards

A. G. Maisey · 28th December 2012, 10:28 AM

The usual, simple keris blade construction is with core of steel and an overlay of pamor material on each side of the core, this gives a cutting edge and a point of steel, protected by outside layers of pamor material. In a good blade the core will be centered at the gandhik and continue centered down the length of the blade. I can see a lot of black in this blade, so it very probably does have a core, but that core does not appear to be very well centered.

As to the name of the pamor.

It is a mlumah or "laying down" pamor. It is a random pattern. As such it is legitimate to call it wos wutah. But it is a very coarse pattern, and a coarse wos wutah is usually called kulit semangko. There are many sub-divisions in wos wutah---sub-divisions that seem to grow continually with the imagination of dealers, so what this pamor is called is really a matter of no consequence:- it is a very badly managed mlumah pamor. Wos wutah is good enough, but some people would call it kulit semangko.

asomotif · 28th December 2012, 01:19 PM

Nice keris.
And yet again an occasion for "the name game".

Main thing is that the keris appeals to what you find pleasing to the eye.

27th December 2012, 02:54 PM	#1
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28th December 2012, 10:28 AM	#10
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	The usual, simple keris blade construction is with core of steel and an overlay of pamor material on each side of the core, this gives a cutting edge and a point of steel, protected by outside layers of pamor material. In a good blade the core will be centered at the gandhik and continue centered down the length of the blade. I can see a lot of black in this blade, so it very probably does have a core, but that core does not appear to be very well centered. As to the name of the pamor. It is a mlumah or "laying down" pamor. It is a random pattern. As such it is legitimate to call it wos wutah. But it is a very coarse pattern, and a coarse wos wutah is usually called kulit semangko. There are many sub-divisions in wos wutah---sub-divisions that seem to grow continually with the imagination of dealers, so what this pamor is called is really a matter of no consequence:- it is a very badly managed mlumah pamor. Wos wutah is good enough, but some people would call it kulit semangko. Last edited by A. G. Maisey; 28th December 2012 at 09:50 PM. Reason: correction

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27th December 2012, 03:46 PM	#2
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Semar, What do you find special in this kris? There is no clear slorok on the edges and there is some visible pamor inside the pejetan cavity so no steel core? Regards

27th December 2012, 05:22 PM	#3
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	hallo Jean i like this one i can not explane for me its a nice keris and about the pamor i think this keris have pamor ore how you like to call it ????? regarts semar

27th December 2012, 09:16 PM	#4
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Semar, Of course this blade has pamor but sorry I am unable to identify which style. Regards

27th December 2012, 09:57 PM	#5
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Jean, I feel that close examination would show that this keris does have a core, but it is not a keris with any quality, the forging has been carelessly handled , and although I feel it might have been produced in the greater Surakarta area it is the work of a smith, rather than a pandai keris. A random pamor like this would be called "wos wutah" by most people; others would give it as kulit semangko, others would give it as real or improvised variation of wos wutah. The dress I find quite pleasing; possibly the complete keris dates from early 20th century.

27th December 2012, 11:32 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 8,781	Important is that Semar like the keris and frankly said, I have seen here much less "fine" keris.

27th December 2012, 11:56 PM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,893	Yep, no disagreement with that Detlef.

28th December 2012, 09:30 AM	#8
semar Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 272	Thank you Detlef and aboud the pamor its not a kulit semangka bud what its is ??????? i don`t know ho can explane me what you mean with core ?? regards semar

28th December 2012, 10:08 AM	#9
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Semar, Alan would explain it better but a kris blade is normally constructed with a steel core in the inner part of the blade (and thus visible on the cutting edges which need to be hard and strong) and a iron/ pamor mix at the surface of the blade on both sides. The exposed part of the steel core on the edges is called slorok. In the case of your blade, this slorok is not clearly marked and the pamor is visible deep inside the blade (pejetan) which is unusual so this is why I wondered whether it has a steel core or not. Regards

28th December 2012, 01:19 PM	#11
asomotif Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,225	Nice keris. And yet again an occasion for "the name game". Main thing is that the keris appeals to what you find pleasing to the eye.