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ilias · 1st January 2009, 07:54 PM

Hi everyone.Have a nice year.My name Ilias and I am visiting this forum for a long time and I know that that you have huge amount of knowledge.Since now I my visit was only for reading and learn new things.Now I need your help.This is what I bought .Can you please advice me if it is a lance or a spear or what says the inscription on it? If you want better pictures I can get when it comes to my hands.
Thanks in advance.

VANDOO · 2nd January 2009, 05:24 PM

WELCOME TO THE FORUM

A VERY INTERESTING ITEM YOU HAVE IT APPEARS TO HAVE A GOOD OLD PATINA AND SHOWS GOOD WORKMANSHIP. IT IS A BIT OF A PUZZLE AS IT LOOKS TO BE TOO LONG FOR A SPEAR OR LANCE HEAD AND IS LONGER THAN THE BUTT SPIKES I HAVE SEEN ON SPEARS AND LANCE. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD THE DIMENSIONS ON IT.
PERHAPS IT IS THE TIP OR BUTT SPIKE FOR A STANDARD OR REGIMENTAL FLAG. I ASSUME THEY WERE USED BY THE ISLAMIC ARMYS AS WELL AS BRITISH, ECT. JUST MY BEST GUESS

PERHAPS A MEMBER WITH MORE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD CAN GIVE YOU SOME GOOD INFORMATION AND INTERPRET THE INFORMATION. GOOD LUCK

ilias · 2nd January 2009, 05:40 PM

Thanks Vandoo.
You are right that I must add dimensions.It is approx.132cm.Long enough If you concinder and the saft that must had at the back.

ariel · 2nd January 2009, 07:34 PM

Looks like a spit for shish-kebabs.
Sorry if it sounds humorous or ironic; I did not mean any sarcasm, but that what it looks like to me...

Tim Simmons · 2nd January 2009, 07:56 PM

It looks like the end spike of a big African spear. As it looks like a version of Arabic script I would think it has a present day Sudan origin. It might even be the working end of a human shish kabab thing. It is certainly African could even be from the east side of central Africa, Arab influence reached into the Congo. I think it is really nice just a terrible shame that it is all you have of it.

Yannis · 3rd January 2009, 12:31 AM

Welcome Ilias
Too big, too fancy and lot of patina for sish kebab Ariel.

If Tim says it is African, that is good for me. But someone must translate. As far as I can understand the letters are upside down

Lew · 3rd January 2009, 01:29 AM

It seems much too long for a spike end of a spear. Also it is quite nice and fancy but I don't have a clue.

Lew

1st January 2009, 07:54 PM	#1
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	what is it? Hi everyone.Have a nice year.My name Ilias and I am visiting this forum for a long time and I know that that you have huge amount of knowledge.Since now I my visit was only for reading and learn new things.Now I need your help.This is what I bought .Can you please advice me if it is a lance or a spear or what says the inscription on it? If you want better pictures I can get when it comes to my hands. Thanks in advance. Attached Images

2nd January 2009, 05:24 PM	#2
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	WELCOME TO THE FORUM A VERY INTERESTING ITEM YOU HAVE IT APPEARS TO HAVE A GOOD OLD PATINA AND SHOWS GOOD WORKMANSHIP. IT IS A BIT OF A PUZZLE AS IT LOOKS TO BE TOO LONG FOR A SPEAR OR LANCE HEAD AND IS LONGER THAN THE BUTT SPIKES I HAVE SEEN ON SPEARS AND LANCE. YOU MIGHT WANT TO ADD THE DIMENSIONS ON IT. PERHAPS IT IS THE TIP OR BUTT SPIKE FOR A STANDARD OR REGIMENTAL FLAG. I ASSUME THEY WERE USED BY THE ISLAMIC ARMYS AS WELL AS BRITISH, ECT. JUST MY BEST GUESS PERHAPS A MEMBER WITH MORE KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD CAN GIVE YOU SOME GOOD INFORMATION AND INTERPRET THE INFORMATION. GOOD LUCK

2nd January 2009, 05:40 PM	#3
ilias Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: GREECE Posts: 73	Thanks Vandoo. You are right that I must add dimensions.It is approx.132cm.Long enough If you concinder and the saft that must had at the back.

2nd January 2009, 07:34 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Looks like a spit for shish-kebabs. Sorry if it sounds humorous or ironic; I did not mean any sarcasm, but that what it looks like to me...

2nd January 2009, 07:56 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,824	It looks like the end spike of a big African spear. As it looks like a version of Arabic script I would think it has a present day Sudan origin. It might even be the working end of a human shish kabab thing. It is certainly African could even be from the east side of central Africa, Arab influence reached into the Congo. I think it is really nice just a terrible shame that it is all you have of it.

3rd January 2009, 12:31 AM	#6
Yannis Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Athens Greece Posts: 479	Welcome Ilias Too big, too fancy and lot of patina for sish kebab Ariel. If Tim says it is African, that is good for me. But someone must translate. As far as I can understand the letters are upside down

3rd January 2009, 01:29 AM	#7
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	It seems much too long for a spike end of a spear. Also it is quite nice and fancy but I don't have a clue. Lew