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I picked this one up recently and I was wondering about the age of the sword (early WWII?) and where it might have been made. I'd appreciate anyone's thoughts on this. The blade is 17 3/4", double edged (diamond cross-section 1 1/4" wide +-) with a 6 1/4" handle (24"OA) -- copper guard, brass ferrule, and horn handle.
Thanks, Tom (pics from seller, bad photo from cell - sorry no camera) On another note... I've been trying to learn the nomenclature of Philippine weapons by reading the old posts here, but now I just get a little chuckle from reading "it's a sundang" ![]() Maraming Salamat! |
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Hi Tom,
I bid on this and now I know who beat me ![]() ![]() ![]() Is there any evidence of lamination.....the grinding marks on the blade could be recent and the blade older than you think. The scabbard could easily be a replacement. Regards David |
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The profile of the blade reminds me of a pedang lerus but a bit stronger, like what happened to the kris when it went to the Philippines.
Josh |
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Hi David,
I'm thinking it's positively Philippine from the handle, scabbard and general construction - a member of the Ginunting/Binangon family (unless someone cares to correct me). I've been looking for one of these since I started Pekiti-Tirsia (FMA) almost a year ago - it's the "official" sword of that art. I don't think it's laminated - the edge looks a little different, but I've found that this can be just a trick of the light on differently polished surfaces. I might etch it just to see though. If anything, it may have an inserted edge. I would agree that the scabbard is a newer replacement. Tom |
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Hi Tom,
That's a Luzon blade (sansibar or pinuti?). Pekiti-Tirsia is originally Panay, and then relocated to Occ. Negros (both Bisayas). But otherwise it looks like a very nice blade and it's closer to the modern Ginunting than most old Visayan blades (that are much heavier). Michael |
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Hello Tom,
I bet that your Luzon blade will be nicely balanced and agile. The blade could always be older - perhaps give it an etch. Even if this is a monosteel blade, you should see a nicely hardened edge... A traditional Ginunting has a much more tip-heavy blade which will feel differently. No worries, it is always nice to have a few blades around... ![]() Regards, Kai |
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Hi Tom, I wondered why the bid was higher than I expected... I like it alot but I'm glad (now you've explained) you got it ![]() ![]() Regards |
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Michael,
Thanks for the info, especially on PTK - I'm still getting my history together (I'll have to bug my teacher when he gets back). I had the term "Sansibar" associated in my mind with "S" curved blades. I saw the forward curve on this and my brain said "Ginunting" - it seemed a good descriptor for communication, but I'm still sorting out all the terms. Kai, Oh yeah, she's beautiful to "dance" with! Very light and nimble. I've got a "philippine klewang" too (I'll post it in a few days when I can borrow a camera) that has that tip heavy feel. Definitely a different beast. David, I'll take good care of her for both of us! Cheers! tom |
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Hi All,
I recall reading in this forum that the swelling of the hilt where it meets the ferrule, in combination with the short ferrule itself, is a design especially favored in Batangas. Sincerely, RobT |
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