A silver dagger from Persia?

Hommine · 2nd March 2008, 06:38 PM

I bought this silver dagger in a Souq in Oman when I was living there. I was told by the seller that it belonged to a Baluchi family that took the dagger with them when they migrated during the 1850's from Baluchistan to Oman. Oman had in the past possessions in Guadur / Gwadur maybe it came from there?? Does anyone know something about this dagger and or blade. No markings on the blade unfortunately.

Your help is much appreciated.

Regards,
Hielke

Gavin Nugent · 4th March 2008, 04:15 PM

This one is for you Stuart.

Don't dispair, those in the know may have their noses buried in reference material and they will get to this thread soon enough, I am afriad i can't help.

regards

Gav

Hommine · 5th March 2008, 08:04 AM

Someone told me there is a photo of this type of dager in The arms and armour of arabia by Elgood. I don't have the book so I do not know what it says. There maybe other references with info I guess?

Hielke

Emanuel · 6th March 2008, 02:06 AM

Hello Hielke,

Closest one I can find in Elgood is a khanjar identified as Persian. To me your dagger does indeed look Persian, and it's a beauty. The little stone on the pommel is odd though, I haven't seen that before.
The Arabian khanjars tend to have wider blades. Elgood doewsn't say anything specific about the pictured dagger. I will read the rest of the chapter for a relevant mention.

Regards,
Emanuel

kahnjar1 · 6th March 2008, 03:35 AM

Yes indeed shown in Elgoods book Arms and Armor of Arabia. Silver version on page 88, and also shows 2 ivory hilted ones on page 93.
Shape seems generally refered to as "Kurdish" but the Kurds are spread right across Iraq, Iran and parts of Turkey so would be hard to pin down the exact area or origin. This is certainly not of Omani origin.
Hielke, this book is available on ABEBOOKS.com if you are interested in getting a copy. A good reference book for those who collect Arabian stuff.
Regards Stuart

Hommine · 6th March 2008, 07:32 PM

Thanks for the feedback.

A nice story about this dagger: Before I could react the arab seller demonstrated (to my horror) the quality of the steel of the blade by cutting through a brass cartridge case...

Hielke

2nd March 2008, 06:38 PM	#1
Hommine Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	A silver dagger from Persia? I bought this silver dagger in a Souq in Oman when I was living there. I was told by the seller that it belonged to a Baluchi family that took the dagger with them when they migrated during the 1850's from Baluchistan to Oman. Oman had in the past possessions in Guadur / Gwadur maybe it came from there?? Does anyone know something about this dagger and or blade. No markings on the blade unfortunately. Your help is much appreciated. Regards, Hielke Attached Images

4th March 2008, 04:15 PM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	This one is for you Stuart. This one is for you Stuart. Don't dispair, those in the know may have their noses buried in reference material and they will get to this thread soon enough, I am afriad i can't help. regards Gav

5th March 2008, 08:04 AM	#3
Hommine Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	This type of dagger inarms armour arabia Someone told me there is a photo of this type of dager in The arms and armour of arabia by Elgood. I don't have the book so I do not know what it says. There maybe other references with info I guess? Hielke

6th March 2008, 03:35 AM	#5
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	PERSIAN/IRANIAN---ELGOOD Yes indeed shown in Elgoods book Arms and Armor of Arabia. Silver version on page 88, and also shows 2 ivory hilted ones on page 93. Shape seems generally refered to as "Kurdish" but the Kurds are spread right across Iraq, Iran and parts of Turkey so would be hard to pin down the exact area or origin. This is certainly not of Omani origin. Hielke, this book is available on ABEBOOKS.com if you are interested in getting a copy. A good reference book for those who collect Arabian stuff. Regards Stuart

6th March 2008, 07:32 PM	#6
Hommine Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 21	Thanks Thanks for the feedback. A nice story about this dagger: Before I could react the arab seller demonstrated (to my horror) the quality of the steel of the blade by cutting through a brass cartridge case... Hielke

6th March 2008, 02:06 AM	#4
Emanuel Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,242	Hello Hielke, Closest one I can find in Elgood is a khanjar identified as Persian. To me your dagger does indeed look Persian, and it's a beauty. The little stone on the pommel is odd though, I haven't seen that before. The Arabian khanjars tend to have wider blades. Elgood doewsn't say anything specific about the pictured dagger. I will read the rest of the chapter for a relevant mention. Regards, Emanuel