Question

[Rick]

Is this pamor I see in the kruwingan of this Anak Alang keris ?
If it is, is it adeg ?
Thanks in advance for any comments .

[PenangsangII]

I saw it too. It looks like miring type adeg.

[ganjawulung]

Or maybe, the iron of the blade is the type of "nyerat" (English?) in Javanese term. But no pamor. ("Kelengan" but "nyerat"). Kelengan (pamorless) keris with "besi (iron) nyerat" -- in Java -- regarded as a well forged keris, and much sought...

Ganjawulung

[Rick]

Thank you Gentlemen .

This keris seems to be made from very high quality steel/iron and judging from the pitting on the blade it is old .
I noticed when giving it a Pineapple juice soak and subsequent cleaning that it 'rings' with a lovely voice.


I was wondering if this was purely a pamor or possibly a technique of blade construction .

Ganjawulung, can you provide any more information about 'besi nyerat' please ?

Rick

[asian-keris]

Hi, all
I have something like this blade but with pamor ngulit semangka.
Your blade looks lron welded, so only one material used.
I think my blade is orig from madura.
best regards,
Gert-Jan

[ganjawulung]

Originally Posted by Rick

This keris seems to be made from very high quality steel/iron and judging from the pitting on the blade it is old .
I noticed when giving it a Pineapple juice soak and subsequent cleaning that it 'rings' with a lovely voice.


I was wondering if this was purely a pamor or possibly a technique of blade construction .

Dear Rick,

It was possibly a technique of blade construction, to built a "certain philosophy"...

By touching or groping an old keris blade, we may have some categorization of good iron/steel used in the blade. Also, by "ringing" ("ninthing" the blade, or "thinthingan") the blade as you mentioned in your post. Besi or iron that has character of "nyerat" (fibrous) is only one of them. There are other kinds: "nyabak" (smooth, solid, greenish), "ngawat" (bigger fibrous than "nyerat"), "madas" or "madhas" (like rock), "nglempung" (as if clay), "ngglali" (melt of sweets, 'sticky'), "mrambut" (as hairs) etc... This characters emerged from the mixture of material used by the keris maker in the forging process.

Mixing or pairing the iron materials for forging a keris was also "philosophying" (in your language now, maybe "to make limiting belief of people"). This was written also by keris writers in the past. Besi "purasani" (kind of iron, believed from Persian origin) believed to have power to good livehood, good rank, good carrier... While besi "windu adi" for instance, believed to have power to make stronger, in unvisible term... So if you mix the two good characters of iron, then the blade will bring up glory, nobility to the owner etc...

Keris with "besi nyerat" (in the past) believed to have good "tuah" (good luck) to built "better self-confidence". Bring up characters of brave, audacious and courageous... Oops, am I a practitioner?

Ganjawulung

[cahaya]

Originally Posted by ganjawulung

Or maybe, the iron of the blade is the type of "nyerat" (English?) in Javanese term. But no pamor. ("Kelengan" but "nyerat"). Kelengan (pamorless) keris with "besi (iron) nyerat" -- in Java -- regarded as a well forged keris, and much sought...

Ganjawulung

berserat = fibrous/grained

besi berserat = iron with fibrous/grained ??

[A. G. Maisey]

Cahaya, I apologise if this may seem like a stupid question to you, but I would ask you to forgive me for my stupidity.

Exactly what do you mean by your last post with the cute little yellow face going "shrug, shrug"?

I'm afraid I miss your message. Could I ask you to explain in words what you are trying to say with the cute little yellow face?

Thank you so much for your consideration.

[Rick]

Thank you very much Ganjawulung .

It would be interesting to have a thread on the iron itself .

If I may, is this below also an example of nyerat; or more like your description of ngawat ?

[cahaya]

Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Cahaya, I apologise if this may seem like a stupid question to you, but I would ask you to forgive me for my stupidity.

Exactly what do you mean by your last post with the cute little yellow face going "shrug, shrug"?

I'm afraid I miss your message. Could I ask you to explain in words what you are trying to say with the cute little yellow face?

Thank you so much for your consideration.

Hallo Bapak Alan,

I try to find word in English for "nyerat", that is correct "fibrous/grained"?, or Bapak Alan have an English word for "nyerat",..

thanks