Scallop-edged Kris

Amuk Murugul · 28th February 2007, 04:17 AM

Hullo everyone,

I will be most grateful for any information on the scallop edge; when it first appeared, where etc.

Thank you.

A. G. Maisey · 28th February 2007, 08:31 AM

Are we talking about the keris of the Philippines, or the keris of Jawa ?

If this query is directed at the keris in general, not specifically at the keris of the Philippines, we should address this question in the keris forum, Keris Warung Kopi.

David · 28th February 2007, 02:41 PM

Alan is right. If you are referring to a feature of Indonesian keris (kris) then we should move this thread. If this is a feature that is specific to Moro kris than it should stay here. But i am afraid that i don't really understand the question to begin with. What exactly do you mean by "scallop edged"? Are you referring to wavy blades?

Amuk Murugul · 28th February 2007, 10:06 PM

Hullo everyone

,

It appears that my original post lacked clarity. I apologise. Perhaps I should have been more specific and also included a picture of what I meant. However, to be fair, my understanding is that, in this forum, the word 'KRIS' (as used in my post heading) is reserved for what I refer to as 'Keris Sundang' (sword-type keris traditionally from Northern Borneo- Southern Philippines) and that 'scallop-edge' is a term commonly understood by 'sword people'. If I misunderstood, I again, apologise.
In any event, broadening the scope from 'kris' to 'keris' should elicit more response and hopefully, increase the benefit

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BTW... I have attached a photo I just took of a scallop edge. Please forgive the poor quality.
As for the final resting place of my post, I leave it to the discretion of the Moderator.

Thank you.

Battara · 28th February 2007, 10:57 PM

I believe the type of scalloping as seen in the picture started in the late 1930s. This also the time when lamination on these types dissappeared.

Ian · 28th February 2007, 11:23 PM

I think Battara is correct. These forms of kris are most commonly seen post-WWII, having their origin somewhat earlier. The "scalloped" edge results from stock removal, rather than forging a wavy blade. Many of these have rather poor quality, thin blades of doubtful functionality as weapons. It seems they were produced for sale as sourvenirs, especially to foreigners, rather than as weapons within the indigenous culture.

Many of these kris and punal/gunong appear to have been made in the Lake Lanao region of Mindanao (mainly by the Maranao people), which is still a prominent site of manufacture of swords and knives today.

Ian.

28th February 2007, 04:17 AM	#1
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 474	Scallop-edged Kris Hullo everyone, I will be most grateful for any information on the scallop edge; when it first appeared, where etc. Thank you.

28th February 2007, 10:06 PM	#4
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 474	Hullo everyone, It appears that my original post lacked clarity. I apologise. Perhaps I should have been more specific and also included a picture of what I meant. However, to be fair, my understanding is that, in this forum, the word 'KRIS' (as used in my post heading) is reserved for what I refer to as 'Keris Sundang' (sword-type keris traditionally from Northern Borneo- Southern Philippines) and that 'scallop-edge' is a term commonly understood by 'sword people'. If I misunderstood, I again, apologise. In any event, broadening the scope from 'kris' to 'keris' should elicit more response and hopefully, increase the benefit. BTW... I have attached a photo I just took of a scallop edge. Please forgive the poor quality. As for the final resting place of my post, I leave it to the discretion of the Moderator. Thank you. Attached Images

28th February 2007, 11:23 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,519	Probably Maranao work I think Battara is correct. These forms of kris are most commonly seen post-WWII, having their origin somewhat earlier. The "scalloped" edge results from stock removal, rather than forging a wavy blade. Many of these have rather poor quality, thin blades of doubtful functionality as weapons. It seems they were produced for sale as sourvenirs, especially to foreigners, rather than as weapons within the indigenous culture. Many of these kris and punal/gunong appear to have been made in the Lake Lanao region of Mindanao (mainly by the Maranao people), which is still a prominent site of manufacture of swords and knives today. Ian.

28th February 2007, 08:31 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Are we talking about the keris of the Philippines, or the keris of Jawa ? If this query is directed at the keris in general, not specifically at the keris of the Philippines, we should address this question in the keris forum, Keris Warung Kopi.

28th February 2007, 02:41 PM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,250	Alan is right. If you are referring to a feature of Indonesian keris (kris) then we should move this thread. If this is a feature that is specific to Moro kris than it should stay here. But i am afraid that i don't really understand the question to begin with. What exactly do you mean by "scallop edged"? Are you referring to wavy blades?

28th February 2007, 10:57 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,345	I believe the type of scalloping as seen in the picture started in the late 1930s. This also the time when lamination on these types dissappeared.