A group of 3 swords won on eBay

katana · 11th November 2006, 10:12 PM

Hi Everyone,
Just acquired 3 swords.....well 2 swords and a SEA Tourist sword. I bid for the Kaskara, but the Cavalry Sword was a bonus, I know the Wilkinson sword was manufactured between 1849 (or 1870's ?) and 1887. According to this article.

' the blade is etched with Queen Victoria's Royal cypher, which places the date of manufacture between the 1837-1901. The grip and blade are almost straight, which was a change introduced in the 1870's (as opposed to the more curved style before that). Furthermore, the blade is etched with "HENRY WILKINSON PALL MALL LONDON", which is another indication of which years are in question. Wilkinson moved his shop from Ludgate to Pall Mall around 1849, and the Company changed its name to "The Wilkinson Sword Company Ltd" in 1887.

The Kaskara is etched in Arabic (no scabbard

), Hoping that there may be a tie to the Mahdist Uprising with the Kaskara.......and possibly the Wilkinson Sword

.

It may be possible that the Kaskara could be 'trophy' brought back by the owner of the sword

katana · 11th November 2006, 10:27 PM

Forgot the link....been a bit forgetful tonight...

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5214&rd=1&rd=1

spiral · 12th November 2006, 11:15 AM

Quote. "The Kaskara is etched in Arabic (no scabbard ), Hoping that there may be a tie to the Mahdist Uprising with the Kaskara.......and possibly the Wilkinson Sword ."

A Nice bargain bunch!

As the Wilkinson is numbered theres a good chance you can trace who purchased it & when. Then trace thier service history.

Good luck!

Spiral

katana · 12th November 2006, 12:08 PM

Hi Spiral,
thank you,

I am certainly taking your advice...I am hoping that the serial no. matches the name of the original purchaser...or at least the Regiment it went to. At least, I can trace the possibility that the owner/Regiment was/were active in the Sudan at the time of the 'uprising'. Seeing as these swords are from someones estate....it seems strange that they would have a Kaskara 'matched' with it. I am hoping the Kaskara's etched blade may have a date....however, as we know...this would not be definative proof...the date could be faked. I think IMHO that the history of the Wilkinson sword will ..perhaps..provide clues to the provinance of the Kaskara.

Could anyone confirm that that the wooden hilted SEA sword is a 'tourist' item......its just that many iitems sold to travellers are based on genuine articles ....are there SEA swords and scabbards similar to this one??

Is a replacement scabbard for the Wilkinson sword, hard to find? Does anyone know what pattern this sword is ? Thankyou for any information

Battara · 12th November 2006, 07:27 PM

the SE Asian piece is I believe a tourist dha from Vietnam.

katana · 12th November 2006, 10:52 PM

Thanks Battara,
I was fairly sure that it was.....but not fully 100%...lack of knowledge with regards SEA weapons.....but I'm learning

11th November 2006, 10:12 PM	#1
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	A group of 3 swords won on eBay Hi Everyone, Just acquired 3 swords.....well 2 swords and a SEA Tourist sword. I bid for the Kaskara, but the Cavalry Sword was a bonus, I know the Wilkinson sword was manufactured between 1849 (or 1870's ?) and 1887. According to this article. ' the blade is etched with Queen Victoria's Royal cypher, which places the date of manufacture between the 1837-1901. The grip and blade are almost straight, which was a change introduced in the 1870's (as opposed to the more curved style before that). Furthermore, the blade is etched with "HENRY WILKINSON PALL MALL LONDON", which is another indication of which years are in question. Wilkinson moved his shop from Ludgate to Pall Mall around 1849, and the Company changed its name to "The Wilkinson Sword Company Ltd" in 1887. The Kaskara is etched in Arabic (no scabbard ), Hoping that there may be a tie to the Mahdist Uprising with the Kaskara.......and possibly the Wilkinson Sword . It may be possible that the Kaskara could be 'trophy' brought back by the owner of the sword

11th November 2006, 10:27 PM	#2
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Forgot the link....been a bit forgetful tonight... http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...5214&rd=1&rd=1

12th November 2006, 11:15 AM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Quote. "The Kaskara is etched in Arabic (no scabbard ), Hoping that there may be a tie to the Mahdist Uprising with the Kaskara.......and possibly the Wilkinson Sword ." A Nice bargain bunch! As the Wilkinson is numbered theres a good chance you can trace who purchased it & when. Then trace thier service history. Good luck! Spiral

12th November 2006, 12:08 PM	#4
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Hi Spiral, thank you, I am certainly taking your advice...I am hoping that the serial no. matches the name of the original purchaser...or at least the Regiment it went to. At least, I can trace the possibility that the owner/Regiment was/were active in the Sudan at the time of the 'uprising'. Seeing as these swords are from someones estate....it seems strange that they would have a Kaskara 'matched' with it. I am hoping the Kaskara's etched blade may have a date....however, as we know...this would not be definative proof...the date could be faked. I think IMHO that the history of the Wilkinson sword will ..perhaps..provide clues to the provinance of the Kaskara. Could anyone confirm that that the wooden hilted SEA sword is a 'tourist' item......its just that many iitems sold to travellers are based on genuine articles ....are there SEA swords and scabbards similar to this one?? Is a replacement scabbard for the Wilkinson sword, hard to find? Does anyone know what pattern this sword is ? Thankyou for any information

12th November 2006, 07:27 PM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	the SE Asian piece is I believe a tourist dha from Vietnam.

12th November 2006, 10:52 PM	#6
katana Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Kent Posts: 2,658	Thanks Battara, I was fairly sure that it was.....but not fully 100%...lack of knowledge with regards SEA weapons.....but I'm learning