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11th July 2024, 07:53 PM | #1 | |
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Very unusual presentation kris/keris—Malay?
This one appears on the Oriental-Arms old web site as sold item number 10593. Here is how Artrzi Yarom described it:
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However, I don't believe this is a Moro example. The pommel is similar to many Moro hilts of the 19th C, although the same style of hilt is seen on Malay kris. There are other features of this sword, however, that are atypical of a Moro kris, and I won't go into great detail about why it is not a Moro kris. Here are some features that seem atypical to me for a Moro kris:
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11th July 2024, 11:04 PM | #2 |
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Clearly a Malay sundang! My age estimation, my feeling, would be the first half of the 19th century.
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12th July 2024, 01:44 AM | #3 |
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Thanks Detlef. Why do you say "clearly a Malay sundang?" I came to that conclusion by noting that it was not a Moro kris (based on the negative features that I listed). Do you have affirmative features that lead you to think it is clearly a Malay kris?
What do you make of the greneng treatment in your assessment of age for a Malay kris? Last edited by Ian; 12th July 2024 at 03:08 AM. Reason: Clarified question asked. |
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Mainly the points you listed that it isn't a kris from the Philippines, the overall appearance. For the second question I'll leave it to others like Gustav to answer! Artzi isn't a specialist when it comes to South-East-Asian weapons, it wasn't the first wrong description he had given. For example: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=artzi http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ighlight=timor Regards, Detlef Last edited by Sajen; 12th July 2024 at 01:33 PM. |
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12th July 2024, 01:05 PM | #5 |
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Yes, we can all make a mistake or two. I have been impressed, however, by the volume and diversity of edged weapons that Artzi has sold over the years. The breadth of his first-hand experience is remarkable.
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12th July 2024, 01:38 PM | #6 |
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