Old keris New Warangan

SidJ · 18th October 2022, 08:06 PM

Hello
Here is an old keris I picked up in Australia. It was in a neglected state as the pictures show. I cleaned it and then applied a traditional warangan in the old manner. I would be very grateful for your thoughts on this keris. I am told it has some age to it.
Many Thanks

SidJ · 18th October 2022, 08:07 PM

I should add for what it is worth that the mendak turned out to be gold on this one.

Anthony G. · 19th October 2022, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SidJ

I should add for what it is worth that the mendak turned out to be gold on this one.

congrat!

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2022, 04:46 AM

Not bad Sid, not bad at all.

You've done well.

Pajajaran I think.

SidJ · 19th October 2022, 08:24 PM

Thanks Alan. Does this equate to around the 1600s?

A. G. Maisey · 19th October 2022, 10:08 PM

Sid, when we are talking about older tangguh classifications we cannot adopt a time related frame of reference to fit with these classifications.

The Solonese initiated tangguh reference system was designed for a necessity that had nothing at all to do with the whims & desires of collectors and present day dealers. The present day market place has corrupted the tangguh system to something that I personally regard as having very little relevance to reality.

That said, if you are looking at age of this piece, I would place it as pre-1850 and from West Jawa. It could go back into the 1600's, but I do tend to be very conservative with age estimates, it is very easy to be wrong.

18th October 2022, 08:06 PM	#1
SidJ Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 207	Old keris New Warangan Hello Here is an old keris I picked up in Australia. It was in a neglected state as the pictures show. I cleaned it and then applied a traditional warangan in the old manner. I would be very grateful for your thoughts on this keris. I am told it has some age to it. Many Thanks Attached Images

18th October 2022, 08:07 PM	#2
SidJ Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 207	I should add for what it is worth that the mendak turned out to be gold on this one.

19th October 2022, 04:46 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,987	Not bad Sid, not bad at all. You've done well. Pajajaran I think.

19th October 2022, 08:24 PM	#5
SidJ Member Join Date: Apr 2020 Posts: 207	Thanks Alan. Does this equate to around the 1600s?

19th October 2022, 10:08 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,987	Sid, when we are talking about older tangguh classifications we cannot adopt a time related frame of reference to fit with these classifications. The Solonese initiated tangguh reference system was designed for a necessity that had nothing at all to do with the whims & desires of collectors and present day dealers. The present day market place has corrupted the tangguh system to something that I personally regard as having very little relevance to reality. That said, if you are looking at age of this piece, I would place it as pre-1850 and from West Jawa. It could go back into the 1600's, but I do tend to be very conservative with age estimates, it is very easy to be wrong.