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I came across this entry in a 1919 Ffoulkes catalogue of the Tower Armoury and it grabbed my attention; then it got me wondering if there was any known history regarding the square pommel before it appeared on schiavonnas?
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In the illuminated inventory of Madrid Royal Armoury (XVIth century), there are two swords "espadas esclavonas". Nowadays only one of them remains, the socalled G26 in the 1900 catalogue. They belonged to Carlos I and probably were of Hungarian origin. Quillons as rings. I have a good quality copy made by the Fabrica de Toledo of it in the 1960s.
I have also a catalogue of an exposition in Belgium, Hongaarse Wapenraal, where a rich version and a more soldierly version of them are found (XVIth century), although pommels are rather octogonal. Quillons as rings as well. In the Wien Waffensammlung catalogue I do not find examples, although there are a number of Hungarian weapons. Last edited by midelburgo; 17th August 2022 at 06:17 PM. |
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What is the date of the two similar swords; does it say?
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They guess early XVIth. They shall be before Mohacs.
I found some (poor) pictures of my copy. I do not find pictures of the original G26 on the web. An Hungarian sword was auctioned by Christies. Round pommel early XVIth. https://www.christies.com/en/lot/lot-5079437 It does not allow me to copy (maybe later with firefox). I have to leave now. |
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Before schiavonas the square pommel was a feature on its predecessor, the spada schiavonesca (Slavonian sword) used in Hungary and neighbouring countries. I think the square pommel is basically a Kingdom of Hungary (including all its former lands) thing and there are lots of swords with this feature in the National Museum of Hungary in Budapest. The square pommel is also associated with Venice which exported the N.Italy produced swords to Hungary and the region. The swords also have S shaped cross guards which were a common feature of the Landsknecht swords.
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This thread is relevant.
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showpo...6&postcount=15 |
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This one as well
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=12800 |
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This map of the 16thC shows how much of Dalmatia was controlled by the Republic of Venice. The Kingdom of Croatia-Slavonia was in dual monarchy with Hungary. When Hungary was in dual monarchy with Austria, the Austrian Emperor also became King of Croatia-Slavonia. The map serves to highlight the proximity of Venetian territory with Hungary/Croatia hinterland which resulted in trade flows, including arms.
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