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OK where is this one from? Seller claims it's Sudanese? My guess is that it's Mangbetu? Those dot patterns seem familar but I can't place them?
http://cgi.ebay.com/Old-African-club...QQcmdZViewItem Lew |
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I am really not sure. I do not now if this has been rather vigorously cleaned of all patina.
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Hi Lew,
I bid a 'safe' amount on this club, like you I recognised the circular design...buy couln't place it. It was the patina...or ..lack of patina which I wasn't certain about. Perhaps Tim is right, ...perhaps someone has 'clean it up' ![]() |
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Now I have spent a bit more time looking. I am not so sure about this being cleaned. I was a little concerned that brass knobs were missing. On checking weapons with missing brass knobs I think this club is a nice buy. As for the rings I have always thought they could be seen over much of central to south Africa. I think it could be Shona or there abouts maybe not as north as Mangbetu. Eye eye whats all this then.
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Hi Lew,
I don't think this club is Mangbetu. In fact, I don't think the Mangbetu used clubs. In 'Dodelijk mooi' (Deadly Beauty) the author gives following account of the Mangbetu's weaponry : "The Mangbetu form the dominating tribe in the area. Their main weapons consist of a rectangular wooden shield, different types of spears and the Mangbetu sickle weapon (trumbash or mambele). They also frequently use bow and arrow and wear daggers." (own translation from the dutch language) The dotted design on your club is found from the Sudan, throughout Congo and into Tansania (perhaps as far as South Africa). So your club probably originates from there....not much help, I'm afraid ![]() |
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