Need help with this one....

Hombre · 29th July 2019, 10:34 AM

Hi... This is my first post in this Keris forum.... I have no experience at all when it comes to Keris.... I got this one today and I really need your help.... Any opinions at all are very much appreciated....
Sorry for bad pictures....

Best,
Stefan
Sweden

Hombre · 29th July 2019, 10:35 AM

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kronckew · 29th July 2019, 09:57 PM

Interesting Moro Kris/Kalis, the gangya* looks like it may not be a separate piece as is more normal in pre-ww2 (1930's and earlier) items. I can see what may be just a well fitted gap line tho.

Dimensions, blade length, length overall would help too. (I can't quite read the tape measure)

* - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis#...menclature.jpg

and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis

David · 29th July 2019, 10:28 PM

Interesting kris. I'd say that the gangya is indeed separate (though i can't be sure). The blade could be a bit older than the dress. The style of hilt does look more post WWII, but it is nicely done. Are the metal bits actually silver? Some look like they could be. Also looks like there is a coin placed between the hilt and blade. Can you see what that coin is and if there is a date (though that doesn't necessarily date the blade). Over all it seems a nice example of this type.

Battara · 30th July 2019, 12:31 AM

Welcome to our little forum!

I would agree with the opinions so far. This is an early 1900s Maguindanao blade with 1950s hilt and scabbard. The hilt looks to be made of chased and filigree nickel silver and brass/bronze pieces. As far as the scabbard is concerned, the wood appears to be palm wood(?) and the mounts perhaps silver plated tin(?).

However, if you etch the blade, you might find laminations in it. And yes I do see a separation line on the ganga, not an engraved line (a good sign of being a more quality blade usually).

By the way, are those measurements in inches or centimeters?

ariel · 30th July 2019, 02:59 AM

It’s centimeters, not inches.
First, they are too tight for inches, but most importantly, Stefan is from Sweden:-)))

29th July 2019, 10:34 AM	#1
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	Need help with this one.... Hi... This is my first post in this Keris forum.... I have no experience at all when it comes to Keris.... I got this one today and I really need your help.... Any opinions at all are very much appreciated.... Sorry for bad pictures.... Best, Stefan Sweden Attached Images

29th July 2019, 10:35 AM	#2
Hombre Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 232	. Last edited by Ian; 31st July 2019 at 04:35 AM.

29th July 2019, 09:57 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,205	Interesting Moro Kris/Kalis, the gangya* looks like it may not be a separate piece as is more normal in pre-ww2 (1930's and earlier) items. I can see what may be just a well fitted gap line tho. Dimensions, blade length, length overall would help too. (I can't quite read the tape measure) * - see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis#...menclature.jpg and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalis

29th July 2019, 10:28 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,199	Interesting kris. I'd say that the gangya is indeed separate (though i can't be sure). The blade could be a bit older than the dress. The style of hilt does look more post WWII, but it is nicely done. Are the metal bits actually silver? Some look like they could be. Also looks like there is a coin placed between the hilt and blade. Can you see what that coin is and if there is a date (though that doesn't necessarily date the blade). Over all it seems a nice example of this type.

30th July 2019, 12:31 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,257	Welcome to our little forum! I would agree with the opinions so far. This is an early 1900s Maguindanao blade with 1950s hilt and scabbard. The hilt looks to be made of chased and filigree nickel silver and brass/bronze pieces. As far as the scabbard is concerned, the wood appears to be palm wood(?) and the mounts perhaps silver plated tin(?). However, if you etch the blade, you might find laminations in it. And yes I do see a separation line on the ganga, not an engraved line (a good sign of being a more quality blade usually). By the way, are those measurements in inches or centimeters?

30th July 2019, 02:59 AM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	It’s centimeters, not inches. First, they are too tight for inches, but most importantly, Stefan is from Sweden:-)))