Interesting and unusual knife, opinions please!

Sajen · 11th September 2017, 05:12 PM

Just bought this very intersting knife, it's 39,5 cm (approx. 15,5") long overall, sadly no scabbard. I was listed as "Indonesian kriss dagger" but I strongly doubt this origin and have already an own opinion but don't want to influence any other opinions and want to read first what others think about this knife. So all comments are very welcome!

The pictures are from the ebay auction/seller.

Rick · 11th September 2017, 06:14 PM

First thing that came to my mind was Thai, Detlef.
Blade profile and ferrule at least.

The figural handle...

Battara · 11th September 2017, 11:33 PM

I almost bid on this! I like it but like you couldn't pin point the origin.

Roland_M · 12th September 2017, 12:51 PM

Hello Detlef,

Nice knife you bought there! I'm looking forward to see it in 3d.

Roland

Sajen · 12th September 2017, 06:33 PM

Hello dear members,

thank you for your kind comments!

I for my part think that Rick is on the correct path. I think as well that it is a dha knife or short sword. For the origin I am unsure, it could come either from the Thai Tak province Mae Sot river region since the blade shape remember strong to the bird dha's (see picture) or from the bottom of Thailand at the border of Malaysia (Pattani region) but I think that the first region is the better guess since the blade shape is very similar. Any other thoughts?

Ian · 12th September 2017, 09:05 PM

Hi Detlef:

Very nice knife. That heavy "chunky" ferrule is not really typical of Thai work and reminds me more of what we see sometimes on Sumatran pedang and similar knives/swords. I think I would favor southern Thailand near Malaysia as its source. Nice find.

Any thoughts about the figure on the hilt?

Ian.

Sajen · 13th September 2017, 12:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ian

Very nice knife. That heavy "chunky" ferrule is not really typical of Thai work and reminds me more of what we see sometimes on Sumatran pedang and similar knives/swords. I think I would favor southern Thailand near Malaysia as its source. Nice find.

Any thoughts about the figure on the hilt?

Hi Ian,

thank you for comment.

I think both guesses are good as the other. The Thai Tak province Mae Sot river region (border to Burma) I've had in mind because this bird head dha's coming from this region and the blade shape is very similar, see also this thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=bird+head
But the origin from the Southern Thai (Pattani) region is also a very good one, like you said, the chunky silver ferrule is a good hint for this origin.

Maybe the blade construction can give us a hint when I have it in my hands.

The blade looks laminated which would pin point to South Thailand IMVHO.

And no, I haven't a clue about the deity hilt, do you have something in mind?

Best regards,
Detlef

Ian · 13th September 2017, 12:34 AM

Hi Detlef:

I was trying to track down your reference to the "Tak Province Mae Sot region." Those terms are not showing up using the search engine for this site. Perhaps you could let us know where that attribution comes from.

Ian.

11th September 2017, 05:12 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,153	Interesting and unusual knife, opinions please! Just bought this very intersting knife, it's 39,5 cm (approx. 15,5") long overall, sadly no scabbard. I was listed as "Indonesian kriss dagger" but I strongly doubt this origin and have already an own opinion but don't want to influence any other opinions and want to read first what others think about this knife. So all comments are very welcome! The pictures are from the ebay auction/seller. Attached Images

12th September 2017, 12:51 PM	#4
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	Hello Detlef, Nice knife you bought there! I'm looking forward to see it in 3d. Roland Last edited by Roland_M; 12th September 2017 at 04:05 PM.

12th September 2017, 06:33 PM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,153	Hello dear members, thank you for your kind comments! I for my part think that Rick is on the correct path. I think as well that it is a dha knife or short sword. For the origin I am unsure, it could come either from the Thai Tak province Mae Sot river region since the blade shape remember strong to the bird dha's (see picture) or from the bottom of Thailand at the border of Malaysia (Pattani region) but I think that the first region is the better guess since the blade shape is very similar. Any other thoughts? Attached Images

11th September 2017, 06:14 PM	#2
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,336	First thing that came to my mind was Thai, Detlef. Blade profile and ferrule at least. The figural handle...

11th September 2017, 11:33 PM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,269	I almost bid on this! I like it but like you couldn't pin point the origin.

12th September 2017, 09:05 PM	#6
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,360	Hi Detlef: Very nice knife. That heavy "chunky" ferrule is not really typical of Thai work and reminds me more of what we see sometimes on Sumatran pedang and similar knives/swords. I think I would favor southern Thailand near Malaysia as its source. Nice find. Any thoughts about the figure on the hilt? Ian.

13th September 2017, 12:34 AM	#8
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,360	Hi Detlef: I was trying to track down your reference to the "Tak Province Mae Sot region." Those terms are not showing up using the search engine for this site. Perhaps you could let us know where that attribution comes from. Ian.