A northern Malay pedang - Pattani?

kai · 26th July 2017, 06:26 PM

This blade type seems widely distributed among coastal Malay cultures; even Batak examples are known (possibly refitted blades introduced by trade or as gift from neighbouring rulers): A relatively long, broad, and flexible blade with somewhat obtuse tip and a sharpened back edge (often about half of the length); usually with nicely pattern-welded pamor that looks indigenous to me. Some blades are more slender, fully edged, and/or come with fuller(s). Malay Chenangkas also often seem to come with similar blades.

This example has a well-controlled pamor mlumah with subtle/calm patterning and on top of this a pattern-welded "…XIIIXIIIX…” motif: This motif is commonly seen engraved or inlaid at the back of blades; here it is done in a similar way at the side of the blade as part of the forging work. Need to bring it out with a fresh etch, I guess.

This type of pommel with a rather obvious head and its distinct features is a variant of the ubiquitous Makara form and originates from the northern Malay culture, probably Pattani and neighbouring sultanates. Horn with old remnants of Melayu dragonblood paint visible inside the mouth; silver fittings and an old tassel. A closely related pommel type is known from Pattani nobility badek (cp. Spirit of Wood, p. 152).

Also note the heavy bolster (thickness 12.6 mm = 1/2”) in front of the guard!

Regards,
Kai
(Pictures courtesy of our forumite kino since I have yet to receive this piece obtained early this year - thanks heaps for your help, Albert!)

kai · 26th July 2017, 06:38 PM

Here is another example of this type from Charles vast vault!

#6 in his classic thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4682
(An update would be greatly appreciated, Charles!)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Charles

6. Very unusual form with a fine blade and a more rare (that they survive!!) wooden hilt in wayang form.

Blade and pommel of the same type; silver guard and grip of the widely distributed type. Note also similarities of the scabbard! [Pommel not wayang-based though.]

Regards,
Kai

kai · 26th July 2017, 06:48 PM

A blade with very similar shape and pamor; no bolster:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22865

kai · 26th July 2017, 07:03 PM

A more slender blade as commonly seen with Chenangkas:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16579

kai · 26th July 2017, 07:09 PM

Another Chenangkas with pamor blade:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17534

kai · 26th July 2017, 07:24 PM

One more example: A similar blade in Batak fittings.

Regards,
Kai

26th July 2017, 06:26 PM	#1
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	A northern Malay pedang - Pattani? This blade type seems widely distributed among coastal Malay cultures; even Batak examples are known (possibly refitted blades introduced by trade or as gift from neighbouring rulers): A relatively long, broad, and flexible blade with somewhat obtuse tip and a sharpened back edge (often about half of the length); usually with nicely pattern-welded pamor that looks indigenous to me. Some blades are more slender, fully edged, and/or come with fuller(s). Malay Chenangkas also often seem to come with similar blades. This example has a well-controlled pamor mlumah with subtle/calm patterning and on top of this a pattern-welded "…XIIIXIIIX…” motif: This motif is commonly seen engraved or inlaid at the back of blades; here it is done in a similar way at the side of the blade as part of the forging work. Need to bring it out with a fresh etch, I guess. This type of pommel with a rather obvious head and its distinct features is a variant of the ubiquitous Makara form and originates from the northern Malay culture, probably Pattani and neighbouring sultanates. Horn with old remnants of Melayu dragonblood paint visible inside the mouth; silver fittings and an old tassel. A closely related pommel type is known from Pattani nobility badek (cp. Spirit of Wood, p. 152). Also note the heavy bolster (thickness 12.6 mm = 1/2”) in front of the guard! Regards, Kai (Pictures courtesy of our forumite kino since I have yet to receive this piece obtained early this year - thanks heaps for your help, Albert!) Attached Images

26th July 2017, 06:48 PM	#3
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Pedang Melayu A blade with very similar shape and pamor; no bolster: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=22865 Attached Images

26th July 2017, 07:03 PM	#4
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Malay Chenangkas A more slender blade as commonly seen with Chenangkas: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=16579 Attached Images

26th July 2017, 07:09 PM	#5
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Malay Chenangkas Another Chenangkas with pamor blade: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17534 Attached Images

26th July 2017, 07:24 PM	#6
kai Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,255	Batak Pedang (Piso Podang with variant fittings) One more example: A similar blade in Batak fittings. Regards, Kai Attached Images