A cup hilt rapier for id.

[Cerjak]

A cup hilt rapier for id.
Mark XX EN X MENE X
Grip ivory ?
O.L. 123 cm ; blade L. 105 cm;
Any comment on it would be welcome.
Best
Cerjak

[fernando]

Très jolie, Jean-Lic; with a 'marguerite' type cup .
Check the ricasso part inside the cup, if there is a makers mark or symbol.
This sword sure looks Spanish, possibly from the XVII cwntury ... in principle with a Solingen blade.

[Cerjak]

Thank you fernando ,Yes there is a symbol ,a boat for me a three-masted boat?
Have you seen the second one I just posted?
best
Jean-luc

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Cerjak

... Thank you fernando ,Yes there is a symbol ,a boat for me a three-masted boat?...

No similar mark appears in the Toledo charts; which confirms the blade is not Spanish. Maybe some member knows this symbol ... which i don't recall seing myself.
... But having marks is always an added value, in any case.

Originally Posted by Cerjak

...Have you seen the second one I just posted?...

Yes i have; also a 'Margarida', with a similar guard/hilt/pommel. You should also look for marks in the same area.
Both great acquisitions .

[Cerjak]

Originally Posted by fernando

No similar mark appears in the Toledo charts; which confirms the blade is not Spanish. Maybe some member knows this symbol ... which i don't recall seing myself.
... But having marks is always an added value, in any case.


Yes i have; also a 'Margarida', with a similar guard/hilt/pommel. You should also look for marks in the same area.
Both great acquisitions .

Fernando

I had A look in your sword I can see that I have one "ring" you don't have .
See atached pictures.
Best

Jean-Luc

[fernando]

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Fernando

I had A look in your sword I can see that I have one "ring" you don't have .
See atached pictures.
Best

Jean-Luc

I know. When i said they have similar guard set ups i was referring to both your swords, not to mine. Actually none of my cuphilted swords have a finger ring; neither you see this detail so often in cup hilts.