Sword for ID

fernando · 17th January 2016, 09:31 PM

A local friend collector would like to have this sword identified.
No doubt about its production place; the sword back has the Klingenthal engraving, dated 1813. But the model doesn't appear to belong in the French armies. Could it be a contract for another country ? Anyone here familiar with this pattern ?

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Gavin Nugent · 18th January 2016, 02:09 AM

Hi Fernando,

It is a French pattern for France.

Chistian Aries shows these swords in Volume one.
I have not translated the text but the specific subject heading is;

Sabre de la premiere compagnie des mousquetaires
premiere restauration troupe & officer.

Or in English

Sword of the first company of musketeers
first officer & restoration company.

This may also help.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeers_of_the_Guard

This is also a great help in understanding the swords;
http://www.lemondededartagnan.fr/SIT...res_chap08.htm

Gavin

fernando · 18th January 2016, 01:06 PM

Thanks for your input, Gavin.
Perhaps then a translation of the second line would read:
For troopers and officers of the First Restoration.
Given that the first French restoration took place briefly 1814-1815, one would be taken to assume that, the blade being marked 1813, should already existed (Klingenthal stock ?)and was later mounted in a musketeers guard ...
Thanks again.

Gavin Nugent · 18th January 2016, 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

Thanks for your input, Gavin.
Perhaps then a translation of the second line would read:
For troopers and officers of the First Restoration.
Given that the first French restoration took place briefly 1814-1815, one would be taken to assume that, the blade being marked 1813, should already existed (Klingenthal stock ?)and was later mounted in a musketeers guard ...
Thanks again.

Your spot on there Fernando.

I don't often see French swords under discussion here...let me know if you find more and I'll be happy to dig through the Aries series as it is largely unused with the weapons types I deal in.

Gavin

Jim McDougall · 18th January 2016, 04:33 PM

Gav,
Outstanding identification and referencing!!!!!!
This is quite literally TEXTBOOK response

You're right, the French stuff doesn't often come up here and very, very few out there have the corpus of key data by Aries.
Thank you for sharing the details here for future references, that's what this place is all about.

Jim

ulfberth · 18th January 2016, 07:14 PM

Hi Fernando,

in 2000 a troopers saber of the 1st compagnie mousquetaires du Roi was sold at auction for 45000 French franks without auction costs.
This is around 9000 Euro or aprox. 10.000 $ all costs included. This was an original I was there and could inspect the sword in my hands, the first compagnie held 255 men.
If you download the picture you can zoom in and see the detail and quality
In 2011 a good quality copy was sold at Hermann Historica for 1000 Euro without actions costs. lot 5231

http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat62_f.txt

kind regards

Ulfberth

17th January 2016, 09:31 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Sword for ID A local friend collector would like to have this sword identified. No doubt about its production place; the sword back has the Klingenthal engraving, dated 1813. But the model doesn't appear to belong in the French armies. Could it be a contract for another country ? Anyone here familiar with this pattern ? . Attached Images

18th January 2016, 02:09 AM	#2
Gavin Nugent Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,818	It is French for France Hi Fernando, It is a French pattern for France. Chistian Aries shows these swords in Volume one. I have not translated the text but the specific subject heading is; Sabre de la premiere compagnie des mousquetaires premiere restauration troupe & officer. Or in English Sword of the first company of musketeers first officer & restoration company. This may also help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musketeers_of_the_Guard This is also a great help in understanding the swords; http://www.lemondededartagnan.fr/SIT...res_chap08.htm Gavin Last edited by Gavin Nugent; 18th January 2016 at 02:21 AM.

18th January 2016, 07:14 PM	#6
ulfberth Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 412	Hi Fernando, in 2000 a troopers saber of the 1st compagnie mousquetaires du Roi was sold at auction for 45000 French franks without auction costs. This is around 9000 Euro or aprox. 10.000 $ all costs included. This was an original I was there and could inspect the sword in my hands, the first compagnie held 255 men. If you download the picture you can zoom in and see the detail and quality In 2011 a good quality copy was sold at Hermann Historica for 1000 Euro without actions costs. lot 5231 http://www.hermann-historica.de/aukt...db=kat62_f.txt kind regards Ulfberth Attached Images

18th January 2016, 01:06 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Thanks for your input, Gavin. Perhaps then a translation of the second line would read: For troopers and officers of the First Restoration. Given that the first French restoration took place briefly 1814-1815, one would be taken to assume that, the blade being marked 1813, should already existed (Klingenthal stock ?)and was later mounted in a musketeers guard ... Thanks again.

18th January 2016, 04:33 PM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,190	Gav, Outstanding identification and referencing!!!!!! This is quite literally TEXTBOOK response You're right, the French stuff doesn't often come up here and very, very few out there have the corpus of key data by Aries. Thank you for sharing the details here for future references, that's what this place is all about. Jim