Please help with translation from Farsi.

[mahratt]

Please help with translation from Farsi.

[kronckew]

looks like a powder measure...

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by kronckew

looks like a powder measure...

I know that it is - a powder measure. The question is how to translate the inscription on it ...

[BANDOOK]

Hi mahratt, my wife is Persian and says its not FARSI script but its written in Arabic which translates as 'For God but God and MOHAMMED is the Messenger of God.
sounds like this in English: la ilaha ela allah mohmmadan rasoul allah[part of the script is bit obscured]
hope this helps regards
Rajesh

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by BANDOOK

Hi mahratt, my wife is Persian and says its not FARSI script but its written in Arabic which translates as 'For God but God and MOHAMMED is the Messenger of God.
sounds like this in English: la ilaha ela allah mohmmadan rasoul allah[part of the script is bit obscured]
hope this helps regards
Rajesh

Dear Rajesh!

Many thanks!

Dmitriy

[AJ1356]

Originally Posted by BANDOOK

Hi mahratt, my wife is Persian and says its not FARSI script but its written in Arabic which translates as 'For God but God and MOHAMMED is the Messenger of God.
sounds like this in English: la ilaha ela allah mohmmadan rasoul allah[part of the script is bit obscured]
hope this helps regards
Rajesh

This translation of the Shahada is wrong, (There is no other god but God and Mohammad is the Messenger of God)

Dmitriy,
The text on this item is not Farsi, my guess is it is Turkish or maybe Uzbek, both languages are similar, I would lean towards Turkish. You have to keep in mind that Afghanistan and the Ottoman Empire had close military relationships, so it is not unlikely to find something Turkish in Afghanistan.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by AJ1356

This translation of the Shahada is wrong, (There is no other god but God and Mohammad is the Messenger of God)

Dmitriy,
The text on this item is not Farsi, my guess is it is Turkish or maybe Uzbek, both languages are similar, I would lean towards Turkish. You have to keep in mind that Afghanistan and the Ottoman Empire had close military relationships, so it is not unlikely to find something Turkish in Afghanistan.

Dear AJ

Thank you for your opinion.

I can not agree with you that it is the subject of the Turkish or Turkish inscription. The Ottoman Empire began its relationship with Afghanistan before World War I (early 20th century). It comes to Afghanistan military advisers and modern firearms. It would be strange if the emissaries of the Ottoman Empire instead of modern rifles were brought into Afghanistan to powder measures for for old guns.

Dima

[kronckew]

Originally Posted by mahratt

I know that it is - a powder measure. The question is how to translate the inscription on it ...

i know you probably knew and only wanted a translation, but others might not know, as you did not provide any detail other than a photo.

as this forum is a repository for research, it is nice to provide information for posterity. at least now it will show up in a forum search by others looking for powder measures.

little details on our big boy's toys like a description, provenance, size, composition, weight etc. add so much more richness to those admiring your stuff. and aid in others replying with information YOU may want to hear.

one must give as well as take. a famous philosopher who once greatly influenced a rather large country that i know you are familiar with, said 'from each according to their ability' before 'to each according to their needs' for a reason.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by kronckew

i know you probably knew and only wanted a translation, but others might not know, as you did not provide any detail other than a photo.

as this forum is a repository for research, it is nice to provide information for posterity. at least now it will show up in a forum search by others looking for powder measures.

little details on our big boy's toys like a description, provenance, size, composition, weight etc. add so much more richness to those admiring your stuff. and aid in others replying with information YOU may want to hear.

one must give as well as take. a famous philosopher who once greatly influenced a rather large country that i know you are familiar with, said 'from each according to their ability' before 'to each according to their needs' for a reason.

Salaams Kronckew and All, I think the words spoken here are absolutely fine and honourable so it would be a huge shame and dis service if Forum were to degenerate into simply pictures...Especially where such an item has good historical detail available to research.

We have a number of similar powder load devices likely to have come from Ottoman sources in Oman...and they make excellent artifacts for study. Actually a friend and client recently gave his entire collection largely purchased from me to Durham University UK.... for their students to study...in an archaeology / history related program.

The importance of research cannot be over stressed on such items at a time when so much stuff is being destroyed or stolen. Notwithstanding that it is only courteous and proper to add what you can, however little, or even in the case of knowing nothing to admit that and call for assistance...

In essence ..(though I make room here for a certain degree of fun and joviality in the collecting world) we have supporting the Forum what is in fact a grand Library record of all our notes so that perhaps in the future someone can carry on the quest for the knowledge I am rattling on about here... and not simply to become a drop box for pictures.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[mahratt]

Originally Posted by kronckew

little details on our big boy's toys like a description, provenance, size, composition, weight etc.

This powder measure was purchased in the United Arab Emirates. Seller - an Afghan, who brought it from Afghanistan. Dimensions: length - 16cm, diameter - 2 cm. Material - iron.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams Mahratt ~This is a fine item and in particular with its multi sided shape and script this is a rare piece.
Please See; https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/F...17_century.jpg for a similar 17th Century Ottoman powder measure.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by kronckew

... one must give as well as take. a famous philosopher who once greatly influenced a rather large country that i know you are familiar with, said 'from each according to their ability' before 'to each according to their needs' for a reason. ...

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

... Notwithstanding that it is only courteous and proper to add what you can, however little, or even in the case of knowing nothing to admit that and call for assistance...

Come on guys; the forum appreciates your zeal but, no need to tie Dmitriy to the wipping post .
I would recall that these devices were once or twice discussed in the Ethno section and so are registered in the forum archives (which Ibrahiim enjoys calling library ). Looks like their Persian name is WAZNA-I-BARUT (Stones glossary).

[BANDOOK]

HERE IS MY POWDER MEASURE WHICH FORUM MEMBERS TOLD ME THAT IT WAS FROM OTTOMON EMPIRE,REPOSTING IT,CHEERS

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by fernando

Come on guys; the forum appreciates your zeal but, no need to tie Dmitriy to the wipping post .
I would recall that these devices were once or twice discussed in the Ethno section and so are registered in the forum archives (which Ibrahiim enjoys calling library ). Looks like their Persian name is WAZNA-I-BARUT (Stones glossary).

Ola Fernando ! Yes you are right about the terminology Wazna I Barut or Wazna Y Barut and I recall the late Anthony North illustration and detail in his "Introduction to Islamic Arms".
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.