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semar · 11th December 2014, 07:29 AM

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David · 12th December 2014, 10:24 PM

Semar, perhaps you could pose some questions when you post a keris. What would you like to know about this one? The more specific your questions, the likely you are to get a response.

Marcokeris · 12th December 2014, 10:35 PM

Very nice

semar · 14th December 2014, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by semar

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thank you David
ho can tel me more about this dapur and i think the tangu of this keris wil be pinggi ???????

reagars semar

Jean · 14th December 2014, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by semar

thank you David
ho can tel me more about this dapur and i think the tangu of this keris wil be pinggi ???????

reagars semar

Hello Semar,
Your blade with 9 deep luk has the following ricikan: pejetan, tikel alis, sogokan, sraweyan, greneng, ganja dhungkul, and ada-ada? It does not match with any standard dapur from Central Java. The pamor pattern is Beras Wutah?
The style of the blade may be seen as Pengging because of the deep luks but this is not sufficient to attribute it to tangguh Pengging.
A nice blade anyway.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 14th December 2014, 01:48 PM

Pengging is a very, very scarce tangguh, not many people would ever have seen a keris of Pengging tangguh.

Yes, the luk in a Pengging keris are very steep, deep luk, but they are also very different to the luk in all other keris.

Personally, I cannot agree that the luk form of this keris is anything like the luk form of a Pengging keris.

I think perhaps that ganja kelap lintah might be a little closer to the mark?

One of the major distinguishing features of the Pengging style of keris is that it has a very long wadidang with a very deep curve, this results in a very long gulu meled. The blade cross section is rounded like rotan, the blumbangan is boto rubu.

I'm sorry, but to me, this keris does not even remotely resemble a Pengging keris.

Jean · 14th December 2014, 06:12 PM

Hello Alan,
Thank you for the clarification about the features of Pengging blades.
Regarding the curved ganja, do you mean that it is specific to one tangguh? I am confused as I saw blades with such a ganja attributed to either tangguh Majapahit or Mataram, and it is often found on recent blades also.
Regards

A. G. Maisey · 14th December 2014, 09:27 PM

Yeah, as usual Jean, there is a whole heap of stuff attached to this tangguh business that doesn't come through into broad understanding; I only gave a couple of the Pengging indicators, in fact, there are 13 that I have a note of.

I can see why you'd think that maybe this blade could bear some similarity to Pengging, and maybe that's what the maker was shooting for, because all he had to go on was the common description, but he'd never seen one either.

I've got one Pengging keris, and its just plain weird. I've only seen maybe one other --- I say "maybe" because I cannot remember if I've seen two that were attributed to Pengging, and if there was some sort of agreement that either were Pengging. In fact, the Pengging keris that I have is a very poor quality keris, but it does bear the salient features that permit it to be classified as Pengging.

No, I'm not aligning the ganja form with any classification. They do seem to crop up more on East Jawa keris, but you can find them on just about any later keris I believe.

All I'm saying is that the form is kelap lintah. Have a look at Ensiklopedi P. 167.

Pengging is an interesting classification, because it was never a kingdom, it was only maybe a kabupaten, it was set up by a noble from Majapahit, Adipati Handayaningrat, who was the grandfather of Sultan Hadiwijoyo of Pajang. This of course makes all the later rulers of Central Jawa, right through to today, descendants of Pengging (through the female line). The area even today has a strong spiritual element, it is located in Banyudono about 8 or 10 kilometers west of Adi Sumarmo airport. Interestingly Yosodipuro is buried there.

11th December 2014, 07:29 AM	#1
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David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,167	Semar, perhaps you could pose some questions when you post a keris. What would you like to know about this one? The more specific your questions, the likely you are to get a response.

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Marcokeris Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Italy Posts: 928	Very nice

14th December 2014, 01:48 PM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,931	Pengging is a very, very scarce tangguh, not many people would ever have seen a keris of Pengging tangguh. Yes, the luk in a Pengging keris are very steep, deep luk, but they are also very different to the luk in all other keris. Personally, I cannot agree that the luk form of this keris is anything like the luk form of a Pengging keris. I think perhaps that ganja kelap lintah might be a little closer to the mark? One of the major distinguishing features of the Pengging style of keris is that it has a very long wadidang with a very deep curve, this results in a very long gulu meled. The blade cross section is rounded like rotan, the blumbangan is boto rubu. I'm sorry, but to me, this keris does not even remotely resemble a Pengging keris.

14th December 2014, 06:12 PM	#7
Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello Alan, Thank you for the clarification about the features of Pengging blades. Regarding the curved ganja, do you mean that it is specific to one tangguh? I am confused as I saw blades with such a ganja attributed to either tangguh Majapahit or Mataram, and it is often found on recent blades also. Regards

14th December 2014, 09:27 PM	#8
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 6,931	Yeah, as usual Jean, there is a whole heap of stuff attached to this tangguh business that doesn't come through into broad understanding; I only gave a couple of the Pengging indicators, in fact, there are 13 that I have a note of. I can see why you'd think that maybe this blade could bear some similarity to Pengging, and maybe that's what the maker was shooting for, because all he had to go on was the common description, but he'd never seen one either. I've got one Pengging keris, and its just plain weird. I've only seen maybe one other --- I say "maybe" because I cannot remember if I've seen two that were attributed to Pengging, and if there was some sort of agreement that either were Pengging. In fact, the Pengging keris that I have is a very poor quality keris, but it does bear the salient features that permit it to be classified as Pengging. No, I'm not aligning the ganja form with any classification. They do seem to crop up more on East Jawa keris, but you can find them on just about any later keris I believe. All I'm saying is that the form is kelap lintah. Have a look at Ensiklopedi P. 167. Pengging is an interesting classification, because it was never a kingdom, it was only maybe a kabupaten, it was set up by a noble from Majapahit, Adipati Handayaningrat, who was the grandfather of Sultan Hadiwijoyo of Pajang. This of course makes all the later rulers of Central Jawa, right through to today, descendants of Pengging (through the female line). The area even today has a strong spiritual element, it is located in Banyudono about 8 or 10 kilometers west of Adi Sumarmo airport. Interestingly Yosodipuro is buried there.