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kahnjar1 · 12th February 2012, 06:59 AM

This just ended. What do we make of style etc. Strange "yemeni type??" hilt. Omani type scabbard but not Omani I suspect.
Thoughts anyone?
Pics are sellers.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 12th February 2012, 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

This just ended. What do we make of style etc. Strange "yemeni type??" hilt. Omani type scabbard but not Omani I suspect.
Thoughts anyone?
Pics are sellers.

Salaams kahnjar1 ~ Not Omani. Saudia scabbard. Dagger Yemeni or Saudia though looking at the hilt the floral central wrap is identical to the belt and it looks like one original set therefor I move toward the Saudia style entirely for which I shall find the name presently ...ah yes...~ Habaabi from Saudia close to the Oman border~ Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

kahnjar1 · 12th February 2012, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams kahnjar1 ~ Not Omani. Saudia scabbard. Dagger Yemeni or Saudia though looking at the hilt the floral central wrap is identical to the belt and it looks like one original set therefor I move toward the Saudia style entirely for which I shall find the name presently ...ah yes...~ Habaabi from Saudia close to the Oman border~ Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Salaams Ibrahiim. These two were identified by you as being Habaabi and the hilts IMHO are quite different from that shown on the item in question.
Regards

A.alnakkas · 12th February 2012, 08:38 AM

Hmmm, I do think this is saudi mainly due to the silver octagonal decoration. 3 of my saudi items have the same design.. will show pictures soon.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 12th February 2012, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kahnjar1

Salaams Ibrahiim. These two were identified by you as being Habaabi and the hilts IMHO are quite different from that shown on the item in question.
Regards

Salaams kahnjar1 ~ yes interesting ... There are several from that area... The big difference between them and Omani Khanjars is in the fatter hilts almost always with a band around the middle..and almost always with multiple rings and a more robust broader crown. The weird hilt poses a bit of a problem..and on the two with all the leather below the belt I will clarify as Im not convinced there isnt some Omani work amongst the designs possibly pointing to Salalah ...In about 5 minutes since I am speaking right now with people from both those regions so I will get the definitive on these daggers ... any minute now...

The answer is Saudia. Habaabi... all. On the Saudia side of the Oman Saudia border..adjacent Dhofar/Yemen. I have to say there were some strange looks on the weird hilt job... As it stands there is little work done on the link between the Habaabi and Omani items. As you know the Omanis have two 7 ring (occasionally 8 !) derivatives in the Muscat Khanjar and the Royal Khanjar and in your collection several of these related weapons from Saudia.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 12th February 2012, 09:35 AM

Salaams Ibrahiim. These two were identified by you as being Habaabi and the hilts IMHO are quite different from that shown on the item in question.

Salaams Khanjar 1 The point is that these are very similar hilts though the pointed pommel style is one I have never seen before... The similarities in hilt design are ;
1. Fat hilts.
2. Central wrap.
3. Large button designs above and below the wrap.
4. Essentially similar shape.
5. Cuff more or less same.

As pointed out by Lofty the design on the pointed hilt is Saudia...

Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi · 16th February 2012, 09:12 AM

Salaams khanjar 1 ~ I spent a few hours in Muscat yesterday and was lucky enough to get into the souk before 3000 tourists off a cruise ship.. The souk is awash with Yemeni work. Amongst that ... (I will open a new thread actually as I have had in mind for a project on Oman Souks ...) I found a similar hilt to yours though it is likely to be Yemeni? and yours Saudia... though from a closely releted region.. The blade is a mystery to me. As a general note Yemeni work (and I assume Saudia work) often contains a lot of copper in the mixture... this is apparent in items from Yemen post 48 and whereby many of the Jewish artesans left for Israel and it was from that group we previously had seen excellent craftsmanship in purer silver. One would expect that a vibrant industry would have thus been exported and Israel would be turning out sizeable volumes of high quality silver work however as in the case of those Greek artesans(carpet makers) that left Turkey it did not happen and the craft suffered. Pre 48 Yemeni work is sought after and Jewish work caried out by a very few silver workers still in Yemen.. however the bulk of post 48 work is generally medium to low quality low grade mixtures with a greyish greenish tint that doesnt hold its shine at all well... The other big difference is in the method of making which tends to be casting... sand cast as opposed to hand crafted.

Good quality Yemeni work is always sought after and occasionally stunning items come out... There is, however, a huge load of low end work flooding into Oman right now as Yemen goes into freefall somewhat and I shall show this impact on my new thread. Meanwhile here is a similar hilt and I note you have like type on one of your other daggers.
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

12th February 2012, 06:59 AM	#1
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,739	Just ended on Ebay ---Jambiya This just ended. What do we make of style etc. Strange "yemeni type??" hilt. Omani type scabbard but not Omani I suspect. Thoughts anyone? Pics are sellers. Attached Images

16th February 2012, 09:12 AM	#7
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams khanjar 1 ~ I spent a few hours in Muscat yesterday and was lucky enough to get into the souk before 3000 tourists off a cruise ship.. The souk is awash with Yemeni work. Amongst that ... (I will open a new thread actually as I have had in mind for a project on Oman Souks ...) I found a similar hilt to yours though it is likely to be Yemeni? and yours Saudia... though from a closely releted region.. The blade is a mystery to me. As a general note Yemeni work (and I assume Saudia work) often contains a lot of copper in the mixture... this is apparent in items from Yemen post 48 and whereby many of the Jewish artesans left for Israel and it was from that group we previously had seen excellent craftsmanship in purer silver. One would expect that a vibrant industry would have thus been exported and Israel would be turning out sizeable volumes of high quality silver work however as in the case of those Greek artesans(carpet makers) that left Turkey it did not happen and the craft suffered. Pre 48 Yemeni work is sought after and Jewish work caried out by a very few silver workers still in Yemen.. however the bulk of post 48 work is generally medium to low quality low grade mixtures with a greyish greenish tint that doesnt hold its shine at all well... The other big difference is in the method of making which tends to be casting... sand cast as opposed to hand crafted. Good quality Yemeni work is always sought after and occasionally stunning items come out... There is, however, a huge load of low end work flooding into Oman right now as Yemen goes into freefall somewhat and I shall show this impact on my new thread. Meanwhile here is a similar hilt and I note you have like type on one of your other daggers. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Attached Images

12th February 2012, 08:38 AM	#4
A.alnakkas Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kuwait Posts: 1,340	Hmmm, I do think this is saudi mainly due to the silver octagonal decoration. 3 of my saudi items have the same design.. will show pictures soon.

12th February 2012, 09:35 AM	#6
Ibrahiim al Balooshi Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE Posts: 4,408	Salaams Ibrahiim. These two were identified by you as being Habaabi and the hilts IMHO are quite different from that shown on the item in question. Salaams Khanjar 1 The point is that these are very similar hilts though the pointed pommel style is one I have never seen before... The similarities in hilt design are ; 1. Fat hilts. 2. Central wrap. 3. Large button designs above and below the wrap. 4. Essentially similar shape. 5. Cuff more or less same. As pointed out by Lofty the design on the pointed hilt is Saudia... Regards Ibrahiim al Balooshi.