Identification and opinion about 2 Keris

ericlaude · 11th February 2012, 11:36 PM

Hello Everyboby,
I bought those Keris and I'm not an expert, I guess the first Warangka is not the original one, and I know the second is Javanese, can someone tell me the origin of the first and the age of they may have.
Thanks in advance.

ericlaude · 11th February 2012, 11:37 PM

Jean · 12th February 2012, 09:50 AM

Hello,
The first kris has a peculiar blade with an oddly shaped pejetan, deep and full greneng, ada-ada, and ganja iras. The sheath and hilt look to originate from East Java and my personal guess for the blade origin is also East Java but I am not sure, other opinions are welcome.
Regards

Gustav · 12th February 2012, 10:46 AM

Like Jean said, the blade is roughly made, it is difficult to say something about the origin. Actually this is not a matter for a discussion, just a remark from me - the general blade shape is more Sumatran, as is the greneng. Selut looks Sumatran, such planar style hilts imitating Central Javanese hilt form are also to be found in Sumatra. Yet on the whole it could came from everywhere.

Sajen · 12th February 2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gustav

Like Jean said, the blade is roughly made, it is difficult to say something about the origin. Actually this is not a matter for a discussion, just a remark from me - the general blade shape is more Sumatran, as is the greneng. Selut looks Sumatran, such planar style hilts imitating Central Javanese hilt form are also to be found in Sumatra. Yet on the whole it could came from everywhere.

This was what I have thought as well when I have seen the blade the first time, the blade, hilt and pendokok have a sumatran touch.

Regards,

Detlef

Jean · 12th February 2012, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gustav

Like Jean said, the blade is roughly made, it is difficult to say something about the origin. Actually this is not a matter for a discussion, just a remark from me - the general blade shape is more Sumatran, as is the greneng. Selut looks Sumatran, such planar style hilts imitating Central Javanese hilt form are also to be found in Sumatra. Yet on the whole it could came from everywhere.

Just for adding to the confusion, the base of the hilt (thick and rounded) and the greneng have some Balinese flavour... I see some similarities between this kris and the one shown on the attached picture, any comment?
Regards

David · 12th February 2012, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jean

Just for adding to the confusion, the base of the hilt (thick and rounded) and the greneng have some Balinese flavour... I see some similarities between this kris and the one shown on the attached picture, any comment?
Regards

Can you clarify Jean...are you saying that this example you are now showing is from Bali, because i don't see that?

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ericlaude Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 187	Identification and opinion about 2 Keris Hello Everyboby, I bought those Keris and I'm not an expert, I guess the first Warangka is not the original one, and I know the second is Javanese, can someone tell me the origin of the first and the age of they may have. Thanks in advance. Attached Images

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Jean Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,740	Hello, The first kris has a peculiar blade with an oddly shaped pejetan, deep and full greneng, ada-ada, and ganja iras. The sheath and hilt look to originate from East Java and my personal guess for the blade origin is also East Java but I am not sure, other opinions are welcome. Regards

12th February 2012, 10:46 AM	#4
Gustav Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 1,262	Like Jean said, the blade is roughly made, it is difficult to say something about the origin. Actually this is not a matter for a discussion, just a remark from me - the general blade shape is more Sumatran, as is the greneng. Selut looks Sumatran, such planar style hilts imitating Central Javanese hilt form are also to be found in Sumatra. Yet on the whole it could came from everywhere.