A strange weapon (tool?) with arabic marking

Devadatta · 10th January 2012, 04:01 AM

Dear colleagues,

That's what appeared recently at our local arms forum, its' owner doesn't know what it is and neither do I, but it seems for me it's hardly a weapon but maybe a tool of a carpenter, or a kitchen tool (?). It also has some marking in arabic

Please judge...thank you all in advance!

kahnjar1 · 10th January 2012, 04:38 AM

Any dimensions? Looks as if it could be a chisel of some sort. Does the knob at the top show any signs of having been hit?
Regards Stuart

spiral · 10th January 2012, 08:43 AM

Interesting piece, Id guess a kitchen tool, could be cleaver,tenderiser,flipper etc.

Are any of the edges sharp? If so which?

Spiral

AJ1356 · 10th January 2012, 01:27 PM

Interesting item, no idea what it is however. Not a cooking tool, or for any kind of cleaving, not sure of the size but could be a shoemakers tool. Anyways, the 2 smaps in the bottom read استاد شبان Ustaad Shabaan. Ustaad means a teacher as well as a master, so it could be make by Ustaad Shabaan or was for him. Shabaan is a name but also means shepard. Get me a better picture of the top stamo and I can see what it reads.

Atlantia · 10th January 2012, 01:45 PM

Looks like a builders 'brick chisel' or stonemasons tool.
The mushroom end suggests it was to be struck.
I'm guessing it is 'sharp' on the opposite end, not on the sides?

ALEX · 10th January 2012, 02:55 PM

This is Persian meat cleaver. probably of Qajar period.

Atlantia · 10th January 2012, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spiral

Interesting piece, Id guess a kitchen tool, could be cleaver,tenderiser,flipper etc.

Are any of the edges sharp? If so which?

Spiral

And good catch Spiral too! I didn't peg it as a cleaver.

ALEX · 10th January 2012, 06:41 PM

this one is easy. its all in the books

AJ1356 · 11th January 2012, 04:42 PM

I dunno, to me it just does not make sense that all along people were using regular meat cleavers and all of a sudden they went retarded and started making not so useful meatcleavers. All the classical books I had read when I was younger depiced them as we see them now, even today I checked my old Persian dictionary and surprisingly it had a drawing of a meatcleaver that looked as it does today. who knows, then again Western books gave many wrong names to items that make the local people

and wonder where in hell did they come up with that name for that item, since we don't know it by that name.

10th January 2012, 04:01 AM	#1
Devadatta Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 118	A strange weapon (tool?) with arabic marking Dear colleagues, That's what appeared recently at our local arms forum, its' owner doesn't know what it is and neither do I, but it seems for me it's hardly a weapon but maybe a tool of a carpenter, or a kitchen tool (?). It also has some marking in arabic Please judge...thank you all in advance! Attached Images Last edited by Rick; 31st January 2012 at 03:34 PM.

10th January 2012, 06:41 PM	#8
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	this one is easy. its all in the books Attached Images

10th January 2012, 04:38 AM	#2
kahnjar1 Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CHRISTCHURCH NEW ZEALAND Posts: 2,772	Any dimensions? Looks as if it could be a chisel of some sort. Does the knob at the top show any signs of having been hit? Regards Stuart

10th January 2012, 08:43 AM	#3
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Interesting piece, Id guess a kitchen tool, could be cleaver,tenderiser,flipper etc. Are any of the edges sharp? If so which? Spiral

10th January 2012, 01:27 PM	#4
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 316	Interesting item, no idea what it is however. Not a cooking tool, or for any kind of cleaving, not sure of the size but could be a shoemakers tool. Anyways, the 2 smaps in the bottom read استاد شبان Ustaad Shabaan. Ustaad means a teacher as well as a master, so it could be make by Ustaad Shabaan or was for him. Shabaan is a name but also means shepard. Get me a better picture of the top stamo and I can see what it reads.

10th January 2012, 01:45 PM	#5
Atlantia Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: The Sharp end Posts: 2,928	Looks like a builders 'brick chisel' or stonemasons tool. The mushroom end suggests it was to be struck. I'm guessing it is 'sharp' on the opposite end, not on the sides?

10th January 2012, 02:55 PM	#6
ALEX Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 936	This is Persian meat cleaver. probably of Qajar period.

11th January 2012, 04:42 PM	#9
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 316	I dunno, to me it just does not make sense that all along people were using regular meat cleavers and all of a sudden they went retarded and started making not so useful meatcleavers. All the classical books I had read when I was younger depiced them as we see them now, even today I checked my old Persian dictionary and surprisingly it had a drawing of a meatcleaver that looked as it does today. who knows, then again Western books gave many wrong names to items that make the local people and wonder where in hell did they come up with that name for that item, since we don't know it by that name.