Handgonnes with iron stock

Spiridonov · 25th May 2011, 10:59 PM

Handgonne from old German historica:

1. pic.1-2 "2nd half of the 15th century. Forged iron octagonal barrel in 16 mm calibre with a swamped muzzle and a forge-welded hook on the bottom. The vent is on top with a depression for powder. Horseshoe-shaped smith marks on the side and underneath. At the end of the barrel a tapering tiller of quadrangular section with a ring pommel. Pitted and corroded surfaces. Length 93 cm."(c)

Pay attention to mark which looks like horseshoe

Spiridonov · 25th May 2011, 10:59 PM

Handgonne from old German historica:

2. pic. 3-5 "Forged iron round barrel in 14 mm calibre with a swamped muzzle and a forge welded hook on the underside. Touch hole on the right side with a powder recess. At the end of the barrel there is a tapered quadrangular tiller with a ring finial. Pitted, corroded surface. Length 77 cm." (c)

Spiridonov · 25th May 2011, 11:10 PM

Else. Length 860 mm:

Matchlock · 26th May 2011, 01:47 AM

Hi Alexander,

The first two tiller haquebuts can be closely dated to ca. 1500 and were offered for sale at a Munich auction house.

The third item is a crude modern forgery!

Thanks for posting,
Michael

Spiridonov · 26th May 2011, 07:20 AM

Thank You for answer, Michael. Do You know anything about horseshoe mark? Do You have photos of handgonnes with iron stock which is 1460-80 years?

Matchlock · 26th May 2011, 04:40 PM

Hi Alexander,

I do not think that I've seen that horseshoe mark before.

Please see my older thread on tiller guns from the 2nd half of the 15th century:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=tiller+guns

Best,
Michael

25th May 2011, 10:59 PM	#1
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Handgonnes with iron stock Handgonne from old German historica: 1. pic.1-2 "2nd half of the 15th century. Forged iron octagonal barrel in 16 mm calibre with a swamped muzzle and a forge-welded hook on the bottom. The vent is on top with a depression for powder. Horseshoe-shaped smith marks on the side and underneath. At the end of the barrel a tapering tiller of quadrangular section with a ring pommel. Pitted and corroded surfaces. Length 93 cm."(c) Pay attention to mark which looks like horseshoe Attached Images

25th May 2011, 10:59 PM	#2
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Handgonne from old German historica: 2. pic. 3-5 "Forged iron round barrel in 14 mm calibre with a swamped muzzle and a forge welded hook on the underside. Touch hole on the right side with a powder recess. At the end of the barrel there is a tapered quadrangular tiller with a ring finial. Pitted, corroded surface. Length 77 cm." (c) Attached Images

25th May 2011, 11:10 PM	#3
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Else. Length 860 mm: Attached Images

26th May 2011, 01:47 AM	#4
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Alexander, The first two tiller haquebuts can be closely dated to ca. 1500 and were offered for sale at a Munich auction house. The third item is a crude modern forgery! Thanks for posting, Michael

26th May 2011, 07:20 AM	#5
Spiridonov Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Russia, Leningrad Posts: 355	Thank You for answer, Michael. Do You know anything about horseshoe mark? Do You have photos of handgonnes with iron stock which is 1460-80 years?

26th May 2011, 04:40 PM	#6
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Alexander, I do not think that I've seen that horseshoe mark before. Please see my older thread on tiller guns from the 2nd half of the 15th century: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=tiller+guns Best, Michael